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View Poll Results: WWW Dubai?
Djokovic 37 71.15%
Federer 11 21.15%
Berdych 1 1.92%
Del Potro 2 3.85%
Tsonga 0 0%
Other 1 1.92%
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post #31 of 42 (permalink) Old 02-14-2013, 03:09 PM
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Why? Don't you think Tsonga will have a better chance of reaching the semis if he his in a quarter other than Roger's and Djokovic's?
Not necessarily, he actually has a worse record against JMDP and Berdych than vs Federer and Djokovic, he really doesn't match up well against other big hitters (also awful record vs Soderling).

That wasn't even my line of thought though. Among the top 4 seeds, Berdych and JMDP are my favorites so I don't want them getting the toughest 5-8 seed: Tsonga. I also love Jo though and I think he has a better shot of upsetting Federer than Djokovic.

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Not necessarily, he actually has a worse record against JMDP and Berdych than vs Federer and Djokovic, he really doesn't match up well against other big hitters (also awful record vs Soderling).

That wasn't even my line of thought though. Among the top 4 seeds, Berdych and JMDP are my favorites so I don't want them getting the toughest 5-8 seed: Tsonga. I also love Jo though and I think he has a better shot of upsetting Federer than Djokovic.
I think Tsonga's game matches better against Djokovic. But Roger is playing worse than Djokovic so he might have a better chance against Roger if he reaches the quarters.

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I think Tsonga's game matches better against Djokovic. But Roger is playing worse than Djokovic so he might have a better chance against Roger if he reaches the quarters.
If we were talking about both in their primes, I'd agree. But Federer has noticeably lost a step in his defense (diminished reflexes for poorer return of serve and loss of footspeed) since his prime and has become very vulnerable to big hitting opponents, the same opponents he usually handled in his prime quite well.

Djokovic, on the other hand, is the best defender in the game, especially on hardcourts. Bar on very fast surfaces (that don't exist anymore), I believe every big hitter would prefer to take on Federer than Djokovic these days. It's not a coincidence someone like Berdych does so well vs Fed and struggles against Nole: Novak can defend him into oblivion, Federer can't. These days, even if the rest of their game isn't really 'on', serving well is pretty much enough for the likes of Tsonga/Berdych/Delpo to give Federer a really tough time and force him into tiebreaks.

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If we were talking about both in their primes, I'd agree. But Federer has noticeably lost a step in his defense (diminished reflexes for poorer return of serve and loss of footspeed) since his prime and has become very vulnerable to big hitting opponents, the same opponents he usually handled in his prime quite well.

Djokovic, on the other hand, is the best defender in the game, especially on hardcourts. Bar on very fast surfaces (that don't exist anymore), I believe every big hitter would prefer to take on Federer than Djokovic these days. It's not a coincidence someone like Berdych does so well vs Fed and struggles against Nole: Novak can defend him into oblivion, Federer can't. These days, even if the rest of their game isn't really 'on', serving well is pretty much enough for the likes of Tsonga/Berdych/Delpo to give Federer a really tough time and force him into tiebreaks.
Couldn't agree more and I am sorry but Fedtards will just have to live with that and accept the reality
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If we were talking about both in their primes, I'd agree. But Federer has noticeably lost a step in his defense (diminished reflexes for poorer return of serve and loss of footspeed) since his prime and has become very vulnerable to big hitting opponents, the same opponents he usually handled in his prime quite well.

Djokovic, on the other hand, is the best defender in the game, especially on hardcourts. Bar on very fast surfaces (that don't exist anymore), I believe every big hitter would prefer to take on Federer than Djokovic these days. It's not a coincidence someone like Berdych does so well vs Fed and struggles against Nole: Novak can defend him into oblivion, Federer can't. These days, even if the rest of their game isn't really 'on', serving well is pretty much enough for the likes of Tsonga/Berdych/Delpo to give Federer a really tough time and force him into tiebreaks.
Roger is past his prime and Djokovic is in his. Totally agree. Roger used to eat big hitters for breakfast, those were the days.

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Roger is past his prime and Djokovic is in his. Totally agree. Roger used to eat big hitters for breakfast, those were the days.
So it's natural that Djokovic would win most of their matches, why can't people accept that as gracious as you?
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Roger is past his prime and Djokovic is in his. Totally agree. Roger used to eat big hitters for breakfast, those were the days.
Yup, before say 2010, it used to take a lights out performance for a big hitter to beat Federer - his blocked return was the best in the business and he used his lighting footwork to get in position and deflect their bullets off the ground with a flick of the wrist.

All it took was a slight loss of reflexes and footspeed (slight, but makes a huge difference at the highest level) and suddenly he's extremely vulnerable to that sort of player and is constantly on the defensive against them. Berdych only needed to be solid to beat Federer at the USO, didn't even do anything really special - Federer just couldn't return his serve properly and his BH crumbled under the power of Berdych's strokes - , same for JMDP in their indoors meetings last year,

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So it's natural that Djokovic would win most of their matches, why can't people accept that as gracious as you?
Do you mean djokovic against Roger?

2006-2010: 6-13
From 2011 onwards: 7-3

Numbers usually don't lie. Still Roger's record against Djokovic post 2010 is not that bad considering 4 of those loses were in 2011 when Djokovic was playing out of his mind.

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Do you mean djokovic against Roger?

2006-2010: 6-13
From 2011 onwards: 7-3

Numbers usually don't lie. Still Roger's record against Djokovic post 2010 is not that bad considering 4 of those loses were in 2011 when Djokovic was playing out of his mind.
Yes that's what I meant, yes numbers don't lie and the fact that their H2H is in Djokovic's favour since 2010 supports my point
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That's odd... not like Dubai would be too taxing, but whatever works for him
Well he usually trains in Miami, so I think he doesn't want to leave the states until after the double is over. Maybe he thinks the long flight is bad?
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im fedfan, but I picked Nole. He too much pwn rite now
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Couldn't agree more and I am sorry but Fedtards will just have to live with that and accept the reality
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