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Not cheating as that implies dishonesty but clearly it is unfair. I'm sure all of the highest profile athletes in all sports have major advantages over lower level players. Whether in solo sports or in team sports.
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Do you believe using million-dollar recovery techniques that aren't illegal but are unfair equals to cheating?
If it's not illegal, then it's not illegal, it is pro tennis, not amateur competition.

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Not cheating as that implies dishonesty but clearly it is unfair. I'm sure all of the highest profile athletes in all sports have major advantages over lower level players. Whether in solo sports or in team sports.
Maybe those advantages should be discussed, shouldn't they?

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If it's not illegal, then it's not illegal, it is pro tennis, not amateur competition.
So you basically believe tennis should be a free-for-all where rich players can get away with unfair treatments and care?

Interesting.

That's completely against sportsmanship.
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Maybe those advantages should be discussed, shouldn't they?
Sure. What about them would you like to discuss? Or do you mean in a public forum/to a wider audience?
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As far as I'm concerned, Spain's whole attitude to doping is disgraceful. Those names and those blood bags should be given to WADA to have a look at. Are the Spanish authorities afraid a few sporting heroes' reputations might take a hit or two?

A Spanish court gave EPO cheat Roberto Heras his Vuelta title back the other week. Sums up their attitude.

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Sure. What about them would you like to discuss? Or do you mean in a public forum/to a wider audience?
To a wider audience, of course.

Do regular fans know how different the tour is for Federer/Nadal/Djokovic/Murray compared to a Berlocq kind of guy?
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Do you believe using million-dollar recovery techniques that aren't illegal but are unfair equals to cheating?
Just bcos sth is unfair doesn't make it cheating, is it?
Some players fly private jet from continents to continents, they can sleep in bed, eat healthy meals and rest quietly when flying in an efficient flight. Others can only afford economy seat, maybe sitting next to crying baby the whole time, unable to sleep, and can't stretch his legs for a long flight with stopovers. Does it make it fair just because low rank player has no resources bcos he is poor? Plus he has no coach or physios, all bcos he is not rich. That's professional sports, it is not an equal playing ground no matter how you see it. But it doesn't really make it unfair, bcos it is up to the players to decide on whether he wants to participate even if he has not enough resources to compete with the wealthy player.

(Just to be clear, my statement is straightly regard to the quote of "unfair = cheating". I'm not either approve or condemn using the machine).
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Just bcos sth is unfair doesn't make it cheating, is it?
Some players fly private jet from continents to continents, they can sleep in bed, eat healthy meals and rest quietly when flying in an efficient flight. Others can only afford economy seat, maybe sitting next to crying baby the whole time, unable to sleep, and can't stretch his legs for a long flight with stopovers. Does it make it fair just because low rank player has no resources bcos he is poor? Plus he has no coach or physios, all bcos he is not rich. That's professional sports, it is not an equal playing ground no matter how you see it. But it doesn't really make it unfair, bcos it is up to the players to decide on whether he wants to participate even if he has not enough resources to compete with the wealthy player.

(Just to be clear, my statement is straightly regard to the quote of "unfair = cheating". I'm not either approve or condemn using the machine).
I think unfairness to this degree is the same, when talking about sportsmanship, as cheating. It's just not illegal, but it gives them an unfair advantage.
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there are surely thousands of talented kids around the world who can't even afford a racket and will never become regular tennis players... that's not a tennis issue at all, that's how this world looks like...
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So you basically believe tennis should be a free-for-all where rich players can get away with unfair treatments and care?

Interesting.

That's completely against sportsmanship.
It's pro-tennis, dunno what's your problem here. A player who can afford a private jet will be far more rested than a player who had to sleep on the airport because his cheap economy flight got delayed. If that is a problem, he's welcome to try a desk job for 500$/month.

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there are surely thousands of talented kids around the world who can't even afford a racket and will never become regular tennis players... that's not a tennis issue at all, that's how this world looks like...
Still, considering the ATP is the association that represents all players, something could be done.
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It's pro-tennis, dunno what's your problem here. A player who can afford a private jet will be far more rested than a player who had to sleep on the airport because his cheap economy flight got delayed. If that is a problem, he's welcome to try a desk job for 500$/month.
So top players get even better conditions to keep dominating other players.

I guess you don't care at all about depth.
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Still, considering the ATP is the association that represents all players, something could be done.
Yes, ATP should order those who fly private jet to carry some journeymen on their flight free. Or should they ban private jet

Ok, I'm joking. This is not about private jet, it's about unfair playing field you mentioned, which to you seem to be occurring bcos some players has more privileges than the others. However, it's a given that some players always do have more privileges than others and that didn't make it a cheating offense. If you want the machine ban, you shouldn't argue that it is unfair that some player got to use it and other don't. Not sure what you should be arguing but it's not this, and unfair still don't equal cheating.

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Yes, ATP should order those who fly private jet to carry some journeymen on their flight free. Or should they ban private jet
They should ban million-dollar "treatments".
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Still, considering the ATP is the association that represents all players, something could be done.
this discussion is legitimate and appropriate, I can say that.

But it is known they are really all on their own out there, their world is as brutal and competitive as it gets
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