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And so on. Maybe some players are 'more' suspicious than others but the point is that anyone can be slurred by someone who wants to. A better regime would stop (or at least reduce) that suspicion.
Yup, you could make a case for any player who can run fast, hit hard, and/or is always fit to play. Heck, even for those who are generally not very good, like in Odesnik's case.

Btw, while it's possible to prove someone is doping, is it possible to prove someone is clean? It seems pretty much impossible, since people could always say the tests were tampered with/covered up/chemicals were untraceable etc. So practically if someone is accused, he/she doesn't have much chance to prove he/she is clean?

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First day of the Fuentes trial, no?

I've read it's only about cycling, so unfortunately we won't hear anything about Nadal and other tennis players yet.

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So, is the egg just a glorified altitude tent or what?
I think it's the opposite - a hyperbaric chamber - but I might be wrong.
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yeahh.. the Spanish authority "sacrifice" their cyclists to protect their more valuable tennis stars and football stars.
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yeahh.. the Spanish authority "sacrifice" their cyclists to protect their more valuable tennis stars and football stars.
Which stars? They have Nadal and that's it... I really like Ferrer, but don't think he's much of a star, while those bellow Ferrer are all mugs

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There is only one star of Spanish tennis and that is Deliciano.
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the files are from 2006, so the treatments would have been in the years leading up to that.

there were obviously a lot of well known spanish players and others based in spain during that period
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the files are from 2006, so the treatments would have been in the years leading up to that.

there were obviously a lot of well known spanish players and others based in spain during that period
Ah, well, that's different of course.

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Who the hell voted no in this poll?
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This is an interesting analyses:

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blog...ael-nadal.html
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There's a lot of ridiculous stuff in that one. That blog got a lot better in the last year or so.
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It is also rarely mentioned that Germany has it's own dope doctor, Dr. Andreas Franke, and Fakervic trained there. Not making any accusations, just pointing out certain facts which are often left out of the conversation for mysterious reasons.
Omg, call the cops, he trained THERE. Where is THERE? Well, you know, like, Germany, a country with about 135 thousand square miles and 80 million people, you know, THERE.

And where had Djokovic trained? He trained in Niki Pilic' academy in Munich, Bavaria. And the doctor? He worked at a training center run by the German Olympic Sports Confederation for top-level athletes in Erfurt, central Germany.

It is truly a mystery why the corporate media doesn't write about it more.

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Djokovic had a great leap overnight?

He was number 3 for a long time. Been to US Open final, where he missed 7 set points in the first two sets against Federer, best player ever, won the slam after that (eliminated Fed in 3 sets), failed to win against Nadal in Olympics by one bad overhead, had match point against same Nadal, on clay in Madrid in 2009 (best ever on clay) and so on. Was it a great leap? No.

Was it overnight?

He hired Gebhard-Phil Gritsch, the guy who had trained one of the fittest player ever, Tomas Muster (a doper of course,) in April 2009. - because he was not satisfied with his overall fitness. So, 20 months later he wins his second Grand slam and it's overnight?

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The problem with recent accusations of doping in tennis is that they are motivated by what has happened in cycling and carry a dose of cynicism and doubt that can defeat any argument by creating analogies with the cover up of LA's doping and/or by making up crazy conspiracy theories.

Even if we get blood passports and blood samples tested every week, you are still going to have a bunch of people spreading rumors for various reasons, claiming there's a cover up, making watching pro-tennis a sour experience for those that find their topics on this and other forums day after day after day, reading their posts filled with stupid doping nicknames.

You want to talk about doping? I don't think you need actual proof, but please construct a reasonable, believable theory.
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Who the hell voted no in this poll?
Maybe Bartoli has a MTF account.

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Omg, call the cops, he trained THERE. Where is THERE? Well, you know, like, Germany, a country with about 135 thousand square miles and 80 million people, you know, THERE.

And where had Djokovic trained? He trained in Niki Pilic' academy in Munich, Bavaria. And the doctor? He worked at a training center run by the German Olympic Sports Confederation for top-level athletes in Erfurt, central Germany.

It is truly a mystery why the corporate media doesn't write about it more.
Excellent post, facts >>>> crap

“There’s so many athletes, tennis players around the world,” he continued, trying to put his life into some kind of perspective, “they want to be the best in what they do. They want to succeed. Many of them, they don’t succeed in the end. I’m fortunate to have this opportunity and succeed.”
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