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Wow, Trocki, Cilic and now Monfils. Who's next ?

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so back to the subject at hand. It seems that the ITF has finally succumbed to outside pressure and is starting to actually do something about doping. 3 "big" fish in 1 week. I have a feeling this is just the tip of the iceberg. I also have a feeling the top 10 will remain unharmed by this newly discovered anti-doping zeal.

It's a weird situation for me. On the one hand I want them to catch every doping prick there is, but if this is just the beginning...tennis is starting to look alot like cycling.... still better to start over with a clean sheat than to let this charade go on.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised tennis is as concerned by doping than cycling. The only thing that surprise me is the fact that the ITF seems to start doing something about it...

If the names continue to drop, it will make the declaration of top players about tennis being a clean sport look very cynical.

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At least nobody in the top 10 is doping.
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Wow, Trocki, Cilic and now Monfils. Who's next ?



To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised tennis is as concerned by doping than cycling. The only thing that surprise me is the fact that the ITF seems to start doing something about it...

If the names continue to drop, it will make the declaration of top players about tennis being a clean sport look very cynical.
I think that was already the case. Atleast to people who have followed the sport. Heck even on MTF everyone is laughing at those kind of remarks

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I very much doubt that this is the case. It's more like the Top 10 have special 'privileges' that other players don't.
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I very much doubt that this is the case. It's more like the Top 10 have special 'privileges' that other players don't.
I see your sarcasmdetector has been infested by malware

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Not a smart comment by Quinzi, he will get a lot of crap because of that. But it doesn´t mean he is wrong, in fact he is just saying what the majority is thinking. The recovery times of some of the top players are ridicilous, especially since most of them (gotta be careful here...) are playing the kind of game that is based on running, retrieving, stretching and playing long rallies. The players who would benefit most from doping are the ones making it to the last rounds of big tournaments, who have to play many long, grueling matches within a short period of time. CIlic and Troicki? Hardly those kind of players.

Anyone who thinks the problem doesn´t go higher than this is delusional. The only question is the ATP´s motivation. Would it even want to catch a really big fish, or would it trust that the game is cleaned by catching a few realtively well-known names? Considering the Agassi story, who knows...And if a top 4 player would be caught, the ATP would face an Armstrong-kind of situation, what to do with all those GS titles, since the same guys have won pretty much all of them for the past several years? Hardly an ideal situation for the credibility of the game. My guess is, they will release a few well-known names and that´s it. We are left with the impression that Cilic and Troicki are the bad guys, while the good guys don´t even need doping, all it takes for them is a good diet, strict fitness regime, a little bit of talent and maybe an egg to sleep in.

I´m not accusing anyone of using illegal substances, but one would have to be quite blind not to see a lot of similarities between tennis and cycling. Until Arsmtrong was caught, that is...
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Not a smart comment by Quinzi, he will get a lot of crap because of that. But it doesn´t mean he is wrong, in fact he is just saying what the majority is thinking. The recovery times of some of the top players are ridicilous, especially since most of them (gotta be careful here...) are playing the kind of game that is based on running, retrieving, stretching and playing long rallies. The players who would benefit most from doping are the ones making it to the last rounds of big tournaments, who have to play many long, grueling matches within a short period of time. CIlic and Troicki? Hardly those kind of players.

Anyone who thinks the problem doesn´t go higher than this is delusional. The only question is the ATP´s motivation. Would it even want to catch a really big fish, or would it trust that the game is cleaned by catching a few realtively well-known names? Considering the Agassi story, who knows...And if a top 4 player would be caught, the ATP would face an Armstrong-kind of situation, what to do with all those GS titles, since the same guys have won pretty much all of them for the past several years? Hardly an ideal situation for the credibility of the game. My guess is, they will release a few well-known names and that´s it. We are left with the impression that Cilic and Troicki are the bad guys, while the good guys don´t even need doping, all it takes for them is a good diet, strict fitness regime, a little bit of talent and maybe an egg to sleep in.

I´m not accusing anyone of using illegal substances, but one would have to be quite blind not to see a lot of similarities between tennis and cycling. Until Arsmtrong was caught, that is...
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How do you know that?!
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David told me.
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C. Rochus wasn't bullshitting, there really is doping in tennis.
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C. Rochus wasn't bullshitting, there really is doping in tennis.
What's amazing is the denial that's gone on for so long, the protestations of a clean sport ........ and the conscious decision at the top of tennis to do basically no testing. They make even a tiny shift towards better testing (and it really is pretty small, it's still nowhere near where it needs to be), and bang, multiple test failures.

I think perhaps Fuentes and Biogenesis have opened the eyes of the upper tennis hierarchy, and they've decided to start cleaning house. Baseball is probably the model - they left it too long, and now suffer the consequences of an entire generation looking like dopers.


Certainly should make tennis less predictable at least. All those big names getting "injured" or losing early because they can't dope, really will open up a lot of events.

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What's amazing is the denial that's gone on for so long, the protestations of a clean sport ........ and the conscious decision at the top of tennis to do basically no testing. They make even a tiny shift towards better testing (and it really is pretty small, it's still nowhere near where it needs to be), and bang, multiple test failures.

I think perhaps Fuentes and Biogenesis have opened the eyes of the upper tennis hierarchy, and they've decided to start cleaning house. Baseball is probably the model - they left it too long, and now suffer the consequences of an entire generation looking like dopers.


Certainly should make tennis less predictable at least. All those big names getting "injured" or losing early because they can't dope, really will open up a lot of events.
I think a lot of the impetus for a stronger testing program comes from wanting tennis included in the Olympics and WADA saying the tennis testing program I needs improvement,

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blog...veness-of.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...g-problem.html

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After a busy few days on the doping front, accusations have reached a new high. But why do you question certain players? I've seen the following arguments come by:

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'Player is doping because he's never injured'

'Player is doping because he's always injured'

'Player is doping and serving a silent ban because he withdrew from a tournament'

'Player is doping and serving a silent ban because he has been injured for a while'

'Player is doping because he withdrew, citing fatigue as a reason'

'All the top players are doping, because it's impossible to beat other players that have been proven dopers otherwise (Guys like Cilic, Odesnik)'

'The top players are doping because they never get caught and lower ranked players are, obvious cover up to try and safe face'

'Some of the top players are doping because they aren't having cramps midway through a third set'

'Some players are doping because they have improved their stamina compared to when they were young teenagers just coming on tour'

'Players are doping because they said they didn't like having to pee in front of a guy at their own house at 6 a.m. in the morning on christmas day'

'If you don't believe the entire top 20 are doping, you're living in a fantasy land.'

'Player is doping because he has muscles.'

'Player is doping because he can beat a mug ranked 50 places below him after he played a five setter two days earlier.'

'Player is doping because he played a good match after it's been a while.'

Guess there's no escaping after seeing flawless logic like this on display.

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