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Re: Were the 2012 GS winners the luckiest in the Open Era?

So the Top 4 players share the slams & they're lucky? Right.

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Re: Were the 2012 GS winners the luckiest in the Open Era?

No, but even if they were the results were kind of justified anyway. Some say Nadal should have won the AO, but he won the French Open when Djokovic could have won it. And vice versa. Maybe Murray was lucky to have won the US Open but Federer was lucky to have won Wimbledon over Murray. IT really doesn't matter though.
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Re: Were the 2012 GS winners the luckiest in the Open Era?

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If you take away Nole and Rafa, yes.


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Re: Were the 2012 GS winners the luckiest in the Open Era?

Flukeray and Luckerer STOLE those slams.
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Re: Were the 2012 GS winners the luckiest in the Open Era?

No, they were the unluckiest. Hope it's clear now.
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Djokovic - AO: Had to rely on a Nadal mini choke at 2-4 in the 5th.

Nadal - FO: Djoker had all the momentum and a break when the match was interrupted.

Federer - W: Indoor grass festival in semis and finals.

Murray - USO: The hurricane...in semis and finals



So, any other year with more lucky slam winners?
Djokovic got lucky in Australia indeed

Nadal would have won the Roland Garros match regardless, you say it's 'fortunate' that they stopped play, but you are aware that clay is not meant to be played on when constantly wet / drizzling conditions for over an hour. no umpire / tournament runners would NOT stop play at some point in that, regardless of match or tournament.

Federer - it is what is is, he probably would have won no matter what.

Murray - indeed lucked out. this is really the only instance where the result was probably dramatically affected by weather conditions and/or tournament decisions.

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Re: Were the 2012 GS winners the luckiest in the Open Era?

Winners of AO GS titles in most of the 70s and early 80s were.

Often the fields were weak with the top players; Borg, Connors and McEnroe absent.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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Federer was not in control! He had just stolen the 2nd set, in which he was 2nd best player, to make it 1 set all. It was anyone's match at that point.

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It was Djokovic who was actually very lucky that it started to rain in Paris. It was 6/4 6/3 2/0 for rafa till the moment when the conditions got really bad. Before that Rafa was totally in control!
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It's the final I remember least of 2012. I said I could be misremembering. When did the roof actually close? At what point in the third?
It closed on 1-1 in the 3rd. Noone had dominated the first two sets, both could easily have gone either way.
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Djokovic - AO: Had to rely on a Nadal mini choke at 2-4 in the 5th.

Nadal - FO: Djoker had all the momentum and a break when the match was interrupted.

Federer - W: Indoor grass festival in semis and finals.

Murray - USO: The hurricane...in semis and finals



So, any other year with more lucky slam winners?
2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002.

That's your answer.
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Djokovic got lucky in Australia indeed

Nadal would have won the Roland Garros match regardless, you say it's 'fortunate' that they stopped play, but you are aware that clay is not meant to be played on when constantly wet / drizzling conditions for over an hour. no umpire / tournament runners would NOT stop play at some point in that, regardless of match or tournament.

Federer - it is what is is, he probably would have won no matter what.

Murray - indeed lucked out. this is really the only instance where the result was probably dramatically affected by weather conditions and/or tournament decisions.
Nadal fluked that match to take it to the 5th set should have been over in 4.......
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Re: Were the 2012 GS winners the luckiest in the Open Era?

The 1970s early 80s AO winners are the 'luckiest'- their careers look better now because of how strong AO is now when back then it had a field equivalent to a 500 with no Borg, Mac, Connors etc.

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Re: Were the 2012 GS winners the luckiest in the Open Era?

The most lucky was Murray, because of the wind.
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Re: Were the 2012 GS winners the luckiest in the Open Era?

I do not think a 7 time Wimbledon champ and a 7 time RG champ got lucky in winning those slams this year. Nadal went through Almagro, Ferrer and Djokovicto win RG and Federer went through Murray and Djokovic to win Wimbledon.

Djokovic has won AO 3 times, so I don't think any of those are luck.

Murray winning the USO is the only one that could be seen as lucky, but I still don't think it was. He was under a tremendous amount of pressure and came through and beat Novak.
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