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"Murray's AO chances scuppered by No. 3 seeding"

"Most would accept that Murray is now the second-best player in the world but being seeded No 3 at the Australian Open hurt his chances considerably.

To win the title, he would have had to beat both the men seeded higher than him."

Simon Briggs in the Daily Telegraph two days ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ten...erm-goals.html

Huh? Am I missing something here? Federer is world No. 2, and AFAIK Wimbledon is the only GS which is allowed to change the seedings so that they reflect players' abilities on grass rather than their world ranking, isn't it? And I can't see that being seeded second would have made any great difference, except that possibly he'd have had Federer's draw and Fed would have had his. (Now there's a thought ...). He'd still have had to play the same people, irrespective of their seeding, but obviously it's far easier to beat the world No. 3 whoever he may be than the world No. 2

I've been very aware over the last half-year or so that the British press/commentators/presenters seem to be losing their sense of balance where Murray's concerned, and this seems to be just another one of those cases. Or am I misunderstanding him?
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Re: "Murray's AO chances scuppered by No. 3 seeding"

I dont think Murray is second best player in the world
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Tory paper = shite.

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Shit article, nothing new from the ever insightful and unbiased English press.

Federer is the second best player in the world at the moment: Murray has surpassed him on slow hardcourts, but on any other surface (clay, grass, indoors...) Federer is ahead at the moment so the rankings accurately reflect where their level stands today. Most would NOT accept that Murray is the second best player in the game today.

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british are the biggest crybabies ever. he's fucking 3rd seed because 2 players are better and have more atp points. now cry some more, murray.

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Murray with Fed's draw would have been rather amusing shit to say the least.
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lolwut.

grass, olderer edges it slightly

clay, olderer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> murray

hard, murray edges it slightly

so overall, olderer has it. But LOL at these murray tards trying to find excuses, he has no-one but himself to blame for taking an eternity to beat a 31 year old who was already exhausted from another 5 setter at the quarters. If it was GOATro, he would've retired the old man in straights, no doubt.
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Yes, Murray should have been seeded 2nd based on his multiple AO titles.


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"Most would accept that Murray is now the second-best player in the world but being seeded No 3 at the Australian Open hurt his chances considerably.

To win the title, he would have had to beat both the men seeded higher than him."

Simon Briggs in the Daily Telegraph two days ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ten...erm-goals.html

Huh? Am I missing something here? Federer is world No. 2, and AFAIK Wimbledon is the only GS which is allowed to change the seedings so that they reflect players' abilities on grass rather than their world ranking, isn't it? And I can't see that being seeded second would have made any great difference, except that possibly he'd have had Federer's draw and Fed would have had his. (Now there's a thought ...). He'd still have had to play the same people, irrespective of their seeding, but obviously it's far easier to beat the world No. 3 whoever he may be than the world No. 2

I've been very aware over the last half-year or so that the British press/commentators/presenters seem to be losing their sense of balance where Murray's concerned, and this seems to be just another one of those cases. Or am I misunderstanding him?

The number 2 seed has a 50/50 shot of drawing Ferrer. The number 3 never does. Therefore being number two is a big advantage moving forward.

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I'd love to know where this narrative that 'Djokovic and Murray are the two best players in the game now, the dominant forces' came from. There's very little rational basis to support this assertion: Federer is better in 2 of the 3 major surfaces at the moment + indoors and is still more consistent accross the season than Murray despite not being at his physical peak. This narrative has no grounds in reality until/unless Murray overcomes Federer anywhere other than slow hardcourts.

I think Federer's age is blinding some people's judgements. Yes he's past his prime, but objectively he's still the second best player in the world today.

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When Nadal comes back to 4 they'll change their tune. It's cause Ferrer's there that this sudden importance of the #2 ranking has flared up.

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I'd love to know where this narrative that 'Djokovic and Murray are the two best player in the game now, the dominant forces' came from. There's very little rational basis to support this assertion: Federer is better in 2 of the 3 major surfaces at the moment + indoors and is still more consistent accross the season than Murray despite not being at his physical peak. This narrative has no grounds in reality until/unless Murray overcomes Federer anywhere other than slow hardcourts.
They are trying to build a new rivalry. Fed is old and Knedull wont last long. So Djokovic and Murray is the new big cash cow. Thats why Djokovic and Murray will always end up on opposite sides of the draw and Fed will get the draws from hell.
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Re: "Murray's AO chances scuppered by No. 3 seeding"

British journalists have never had a sense of balance when it comes to Murray. An army of them travel with Murray to every tournament.

Murray has the chance to pass Federer before Roland Garros: let's see if he can do it...

If he can't, then he deserves the #3 seed because that's his ranking. Simple as that.

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I'd love to know where this narrative that 'Djokovic and Murray are the two best players in the game now, the dominant forces' came from. There's very little rational basis to support this assertion: Federer is better in 2 of the 3 major surfaces at the moment + indoors and is still more consistent accross the season than Murray despite not being at his physical peak. This narrative has no grounds in reality until/unless Murray overcomes Federer anywhere other than slow hardcourts.

I think Federer's age is blinding some people's judgements. Yes he's past his prime, but objectively he's still the second best player in the world today.
This narrative has been jumped on by the British press, especially in the wake of Murray's semi-final victory over Federer in AO this year, although I think it really started after his US Open win.

I think it comes from people who don't follow tennis year-round, but catch the headlines from the majors and the Olympics...
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I'd argue he's in the top 3 and not Murray.

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