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Re: Novak's net play and overheads improving?

The stats say more about his intent than volleying ability. You could already see in the Shanghai final that he was going to try and come forward much more than at the US Open against Murray and he continued that here.

In saying that he was very solid up there. Zero comical overheads is always a good sign.

Murray should look at their respective net stats and feel nothing but shame. That insane chip and charge point showed what he's capable of when he sets his mind on it but he didn't seem to want to do it again.
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It's improving. His overhead is all arm, that's what he needs to improve.

What I was most impressed during this tournament was his serve. It's getting better and better, it was better last year than in 2011 and it looked even better now. Getting back the 2008 serve
His overhead is all eyes btw and his overhead is just fine. It's just that some smart arses here are trying to be smart and they are not . His net game is getting better.

I like that he mixed it up against Murray in the final coming to the net much more than he usually does.
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The stats say more about his intent than volleying ability. You could already see in the Shanghai final that he was going to try and come forward much more than at the US Open against Murray and he continued that here.

In saying that he was very solid up there. Zero comical overheads is always a good sign.

Murray should look at their respective net stats and feel nothing but shame. That insane chip and charge point showed what he's capable of when he sets his mind on it but he didn't seem to want to do it again.
Yeh that point was outrageous, strange that Novak was feeling more confident than Andy to attack the net
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Did someone just say his backhand slice is on par with Andy's??
It was in this particular match, or at least very close. I noticed it too.

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Has he not been trying to improve this part of his game since 07' when he brought Woodforde in? Anyway, he is not a natural volleyer but at the same time not as bad as people say it is. This is great for his longevity as he is open and keen to add things to his game.

This does seem to be a current trend atm, if I recall he had similar points won at the net against Murray in Shanghai Final. So its very much a tactic against Murray it seems. He does not come near enough forward against Federer or Nadal. Last year's AUS open final in particular, there was this reluctance to follow aggressive shots to the net to finish points. How often did we see him being afraid to venture to the net to finish points off only for Nadal to reset the point and win. So I want to see if he will venture forward more often to play shorter points against Nadal & co when he is given the opportunities(obviously when comes back) or is it only reserved for when he faces Murray?
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Did someone just say his backhand slice is on par with Andy's??
it was more efficient than Andy's one in the final
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Nole usually stops going forward actively after the first insane passing shot the opponent plays, it looks like hes gaining confidence in this aspect of his game and I think well start seeing him follow through aggressive shots more often
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I think Djokovic is thinking carefully about his longeviety in tennis and is slowing adapting his game with this view in mind. It was very noticable in the final V Murray that Djokovic was deliberately looking for ways to shorten the points as often as he could, often pulling the trigger from the baseline and making an unforced error. He clearly no longer just wants to 'hang' tough at the baseline against the likes of Murray and Nadal as it'll do him no good in the long run. And maybe Djokovic is starting to thin about the long run. Hence Djokovic is coming to the net a lot more now, shortening points. I think his volleys have improved. However, his overhead smash is pretty ordinary for a world number 1, and cannot be relied on under pressure.
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The stats say more about his intent than volleying ability. You could already see in the Shanghai final that he was going to try and come forward much more than at the US Open against Murray and he continued that here.

In saying that he was very solid up there. Zero comical overheads is always a good sign.

Murray should look at their respective net stats and feel nothing but shame. That insane chip and charge point showed what he's capable of when he sets his mind on it but he didn't seem to want to do it again.
i would agree with that statement if the net play was 15/41, or even 25/41, however 35/41 sends a different signal.

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I don't recall him making very many difficult volleys to the point where you could say he has dramatically improved his net game.

He was coming in to put away easy balls when he was in control of the rally.

This normally wouldn't even be considered noteworthy because it's what players have always done but not in matches between these two.
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Not enough improvement to warrant a thread. He'll never be good enough where it makes a significant dimension to his game so what you see now is as good as it's going to get. It's simply not worth improving your volleys to the point of them being a strength in today's game.

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I'd say he improved his net game,however his overheads are atrocious and painful to look at

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Net play has improved imo, but his overheads...lets just say that every time he has to smash a crucial overhead, I shut my eyes.

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Re: Novak's net play and overheads improving?

The backhand slice was on par with Andy's in the finals, perhaps not otherwise, but my point is that he noticeably improved this particular shot, as well as net play.
Earlier, players such as Andy and Roger could slice their way into advantage against Novak, but if he keeps working on it, it might as well be the other way around. Watch the final again if you don't trust me.
Perhaps he needs yet more work, because, Andy has softer touch naturally, but Nadal was also naturally better defender than him and now it's hard to say that.
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Not enough improvement to warrant a thread. He'll never be good enough where it makes a significant dimension to his game so what you see now is as good as it's going to get. It's simply not worth improving your volleys to the point of them being a strength in today's game.
Well, his baseline game will always be better than his net game, so of course he's not going to stop being what he is. Rather I think the point is that his net game, slice and overheads were in such condition that even this level of improvement is noteworthy

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