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View Poll Results: Has Djokovic surpassed Edberg and Becker?
He has surpassed both 84 56.76%
He has surpassed neither 47 31.76%
He has surpassed Becker but not Edberg 13 8.78%
He has surpassed Edberg but not Becker 4 2.70%
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post #61 of 499 (permalink) Old 01-28-2013, 03:06 AM
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Re: Has Djokovic surpassed Stefan Edberg and/or Boris Becker?

This boring baseline muppet Djokovic wouldn't even crack the top ten in Edberg and Becker's eras. A true joke of a player, respected only by bandwagoners, teenyboppers and nationalistic idiots.
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Re: Has Djokovic surpassed Stefan Edberg and/or Boris Becker?

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He surpassed them long ago because they played in a mug era. It's unthinkable that someone at 16 would win a slam in today's game, yet it was possible back then by simply serve botting.
Becker and Edberg were part of an era that included Lendl and Wilander not to mention the end of the McEnroe and Connors era and start of Sampras and Agassi era.

Would not call that a mug era.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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Re: Has Djokovic surpassed Stefan Edberg and/or Boris Becker?

The question is silly because by retirement Djokovic will have surpassed them.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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Re: Has Djokovic surpassed Stefan Edberg and/or Boris Becker?

Not particularly close.
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Re: Has Djokovic surpassed Stefan Edberg and/or Boris Becker?

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equal number of slams means equal to my eyes. once he gets to number 7 slam then no argument from me.
Winning a major against Sampras/Lendl/Wilander is at least 10 times more valuable than winning a slam against nobodies like Murray and Nadal.

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Bullshit. In order to win his 1st slam Edberg had to beat legends like Lendl ( #1 then ) and Wilander.( # 3 ) Djoko beat mono - Fed and Tsonga.On way to his last slam title Edberg had to beat Lendl, Chang and Sampras. Djokovic beat Ferrer and Murka.

Edberg and Becker had to deal with few generations of different superstars with very different playing styles :Connors,Lendl, McEnroe,Wilander,Courier,Sampras,Agassi not to mention Chang, Stich, Cash,Ivanisevic.Plus - they had to beat each other , which was tough task itself.

Djokovic right now has only declining 31 y.o. Fed and not so brilliant Murray as serious opponents. Even Nadal is conveniently out of picture for some time now.To say this grinding between 2 quite boring baseliners is golden era of tennis is a huge mistake.Maybe Ferrer as permanent slam semifinalist is sign of Golden era also ?
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Based on what?

The only thing Becker and Edberg still have over Djokovic is career titles(Becker 49,Edberg 42 and Novak still 35),but Novak hasn't ended his career yet...

Apart from that and the same number of GS titles Novak is better in almost every stat including weeks as number 1,win/loss % or number of TMS titles...
Doesn't matter - stats don't show how weak his competition is.

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Of course fans of a boring, mechanical game would only care about stats in a vacuum. True tennis is an art and Edberg was an artist. Fakervic may get a few more slams from Mugray and inherit some weeks at #1 compared to OldFed and KneeDal but he will never be a great player like Stefan. He inspired the GOAT Roger Federer, who in turn inspired a whole generation of up and coming players. And who will Fakervic inspire?
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I would say yes. But this debate will be outdated soon enough
It is already outdated and out of place.

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that's because you know shit about tennis.......Novak is better than both of them in all stats almost
Stats acquired playing against Albert Ramos and Carlos Berlocq.

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The question is silly because by retirement Djokovic will have surpassed them.
Same as above. Surpassed playing in a weak era?
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Re: Has Djokovic surpassed Stefan Edberg and/or Boris Becker?

I see Fishnet is an epic mug on these forums .....................double account is beyond obvious
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Re: Has Djokovic surpassed Stefan Edberg and/or Boris Becker?

Fans of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have all used the "weak era" and "mug era" to elevate their favourite players status and the theory applies going into the tennis past.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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Winning a major against Sampras/Lendl/Wilander is at least 10 times more valuable than winning a slam against nobodies like Murray and Nadal.
Winning where you face Fed on hard and Nadal on clay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lendl/Wilander

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Another useless thread with no predicted conclusion unless Djokovic wins more slams.
But then next pointless topic will launch immediately.
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I see Fishnet is an epic mug on these forums .....................double account is beyond obvious
Nice argument. Is that the best you've got?

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Winning where you face Fed on hard and Nadal on clay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lendl/Wilander


Just because you don't know much about tennis' history and you have no respect for it, it doesn't make your bizarre statements true.
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Re: Has Djokovic surpassed Stefan Edberg and/or Boris Becker?

this thread is just going nowhere. It's turning into tards battleground. just close it.
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Of course fans of a boring, mechanical game would only care about stats in a vacuum. True tennis is an art and Edberg was an artist. Fakervic may get a few more slams from Mugray and inherit some weeks at #1 compared to OldFed and KneeDal but he will never be a great player like Stefan. He inspired the GOAT Roger Federer, who in turn inspired a whole generation of up and coming players. And who will Fakervic inspire?
Lol, you obviously have a very under developed brain, i feel sorry for you...
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Re: Has Djokovic surpassed Stefan Edberg and/or Boris Becker?

Mug era has the be the most asinine argument on MTF. Players are born into an era and play accordingly. He'll most likely surpass them because of his 2011 season.

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Re: Has Djokovic surpassed Stefan Edberg and/or Boris Becker?

Of course not. Edberg had to face many great players in the end of the 80's, and now Djokovic faces a tired Federer and a injured Nadal.


Just the fact Edberg had to face Becker to win slams already means you had two legend of the sport playing against each other. Djokovic had to wait until 2011 with Federer old to start winning his other 4 slams.


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Re: Has Djokovic surpassed Stefan Edberg and/or Boris Becker?

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Nice argument. Is that the best you've got?





Just because you don't know much about tennis' history and you have no respect for it, it doesn't make your bizarre statements true.
Why don't you stop watching tennis if you hate it so much..? Watch the old games and stop trolling, you come across as very pathetic...
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