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post #76 of 1120 (permalink) Old 11-25-2010, 10:41 AM
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Murray's forehand is on a par with Gasquet's as to how ineffective that particular shot is. Novak's forehand is on a different planet overall compared to Murray and when it's on it's one of the best in the game.

Yes Murray's got a good forehand pass, but he only ever goes cross-court so it's extremely predictable all be it effective most of the time. It still baffles me when players come to the net on Murray's forehand and cover down the line! Players still play to Murray's backhand too often for me and if you look at the matches when Murray's lost more often than not it's because the majority of the match has been played to his forehand, the most recent example of this was Monfils in Paris. He got his tactics spot on.

People always say Murray hasn't won a slam yet is because he's too defensive, but it's his lack of weight on the forehand side that constantly lets him down in a game where every mother and her dog has a big forehand.

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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Djokovic's forehand, by far. I think Murray just has a very good running forehand cross court. He passes very well on the run, but you can't count it as a real aggressive weapon, but Nole's is a very reliable weapon. He can construct points off his forehand much better than Andy, Nole's wind shield wiper swing lets him to put much more topspin on the ball compared to Andy.
I believe overall you can't compare these two at all.
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Nole's
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Novak Djokovic is much much better

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Post Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

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Nole's. Not really close.
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Djokovic and its not even close
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Djokovic and it's not even close.
Really?
Murray's is more consistent, has more topspin on it and goes deeper more often.
Djokovic's can go into fazes where he just shanks it or dumps it into the net.
That never happens to Murray.
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I can't even explain how wrong you are. about the step1, 2, and 3.

1. Djokovic has one of the best forehands for a typical base game. He can hit it left or right at command. It's not as accurate as Murray's forehand (arguably the most accurate on tour), but it's enough for Djokovic to break down his opponents weak forehands and take them out in a few small rallies.
Djokovic's can be big, yes, but it can also be extremely rubbish and go into games where he just shanks it or hits it into the net.
Murray's never goes into one of those fazes, is much more accurate, gets more depth than Djokovic's, has more topspin and can get some sting on it too.
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2. Bigger but not deeper?? This is ridiculously wrong. Djokovic forehand has some weight on it. But it's known to be arguably the DEEPEST forehand on the tour. I suggest you watch Djokovic vs Federer semifinal at the U.S. Open 2008, Federer had to literally bend on his knees to whip some forehands back into play. Those forehands by Djokovic are ridiculously massive. He can hit the deep ends of the line. Why do you think it is that Federer gets so frustrated when he's about to play Djokovic at the slams?? It's because of this reason, if Federer's footwork is off JUST SLIGHTLY, he won't be able to bring back Nole's attack. It's a pain in the ass to play him. Nadal also has problems on hard courts in the past when he faced Djokovic for similar reasons, his DEEP forehands would throw these top tier players all over the place. Especially when he hits it all the way to the left or right.
As I said, Murray's goes deeper more often. Djokovic's is obviously much better, but power isn't everything. When it comes to tactics, consistency and reliability then Murray's is better. Much more consistent, much more spin, can get some power on it, better slice, better depth (most of the time) and much moer accurate.
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3. Haven't paid too much attention on the "pass" so I can't comment.
Murray's pass is BY FAR better than Djokovic's.
I'm not even going to bother explaining why Murray's is better.
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But if we averaged out the utility of their forehands, I would definitely purchase a Djokovic forehand over Murray's any time of the year. Murray's accuracy is not enough to allow him to escape in all situations against the likes of power players like Gonzalez, Federer, Soderling, Berdych, Tsonga, Roddick (preferably when he's on), Cilic, Del Potro etc. Although he did defeat Del Potro at the U.S. Open, and that's because Del Potro's skill level wasn't as good as Murray's yet. Djokovic will probably join this list if he faces Murray at a slam.
But almost all the players I mentioned above crushed him with power games at the slams. Murray's accurate forehand works on lower level ranked players, and 1 dimensional players. But against players with massive forehands, he'll have to come with a lot of accuracy and a ridiculously strong defense to survive at the slams.
Murray's forehand isn't the only reason he gets defeated by those players. He just wasn't playing well against them, and they were playing well. It had nothing to do with the forehand.
Most of those guys have bigger forehands, but only Del Potro, Soderling, Berdych, Tsonga and Federer have better forehands than Murray. Goznalez's is big, but that's it. Nothing else to it than just power. Same with Cilic, except his is worse. Roddick's is weaker than Murray's, even if he's on or not, and doesn't have any accuracy or depth on it.

Murray's forehand is better when it comes to accuracy, than all of them, except maybe Federer's.
When it comes to reliability and consistency, only Federer's is better too.
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murray is better than djokovic according to OP, but still murray is 5th and Djokovic is 3rd
Murray got almost 3/4 of his rankings points from 3 tournaments. Djokovic has played tonnes of tournaments, much more than Murray, and he's not very far infront of him. Only 200/300 points.
Djokovic also gets chokers, rubbish opponents and easy draws. He hardly ever gets world class players, and when he does, he loses most of the time.
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Murray has a better forehand than Djokovic. He has better one than Cilic too.
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Blindovic by a mile.

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No, Murray's of overall is more consistent, accurate and reliable.
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Djokovic's forehand is actually a great shot when it's on. Murray's forehand, even at its best, is mediocre.
Murray's forehand, at its best, is a great weapon. It has accuracy, reliability and POWER on it.
Normally though, it's not very powerful, but far more reliable, accurate, deeper and consistent than Djokovic's.
In other words, Murray's is overall better.

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Djokovic can win slams with his forehand.

That's the only difference that matters, and it's huge.

What a fucking ridiculous thread.
Djokovic can't win slams with just his forehand
His forehand is very average a lot of the time.
Nothing really special about it.
At its best, it's a great shot, but normally (usually he's in crap form) it's not very special and rather average.

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I guess a lot of people just don't see how Murray's is better
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Murray's forehand:

Is more accurate.
Is more consistent.
Deeper.
Has more topspin.
Is more reliable.
Never goes into a run of errors.
Has a better slice.
Can get some major power on it.

Overall, it is better than Djokovic's.

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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

No need for a poll.
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I guess a lot of people just don't see how Murray's is better

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Murray's forehand:

Is more accurate.
Is more consistent.
Deeper.
Has more topspin.
Is more reliable.
Never goes into a run of errors.
Has a better slice.
Can get some major power on it.

Overall, it is better than Djokovic's.
More topspin than Nole's? Are you serious? it's relatively flat. but yes, he has a better feel on his slice. He plays nice drop shots with the forehand.
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Murray's forehand is considerably inferior to Novaks. It breaks down just as much (see eg the recent Federer match for an example of it breaking down), has far less pace and about the only thing that going for it is the accuracy and the fact that he can disguise his dropshots well with it.

Now comparing Novak and Murray's backhand is a worthy comparison and a difficult question.
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68-3, i think this is the most "one way" poll in MTF history...
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You have a little obsession with Novak. I know it bothers you that he's been usually above Murray in the rankings for the last 3,5 years and has accomplished more in his career. I love Murray, don't worry, he will soon win his first slam. But don't try to make a case for him as he's the best thing that happened to Britain since sliced white bread. He still has to prove a lot.



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since when does murray have a forehand
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