Nole's. Not really close.
Djokovic and its not even close
Djokovic and it's not even close.
Murray's is more consistent, has more topspin on it and goes deeper more often.
Djokovic's can go into fazes where he just shanks it or dumps it into the net.
That never happens to Murray.
I can't even explain how wrong you are. about the step1, 2, and 3.
1. Djokovic has one of the best forehands for a typical base game. He can hit it left or right at command. It's not as accurate as Murray's forehand (arguably the most accurate on tour), but it's enough for Djokovic to break down his opponents weak forehands and take them out in a few small rallies.
Djokovic's can be big, yes, but it can also be extremely rubbish and go into games where he just shanks it or hits it into the net.
Murray's never goes into one of those fazes, is much more accurate, gets more depth than Djokovic's, has more topspin and can get some sting on it too.
2. Bigger but not deeper?? This is ridiculously wrong. Djokovic forehand has some weight on it. But it's known to be arguably the DEEPEST forehand on the tour. I suggest you watch Djokovic vs Federer semifinal at the U.S. Open 2008, Federer had to literally bend on his knees to whip some forehands back into play. Those forehands by Djokovic are ridiculously massive. He can hit the deep ends of the line. Why do you think it is that Federer gets so frustrated when he's about to play Djokovic at the slams?? It's because of this reason, if Federer's footwork is off JUST SLIGHTLY, he won't be able to bring back Nole's attack. It's a pain in the ass to play him. Nadal also has problems on hard courts in the past when he faced Djokovic for similar reasons, his DEEP forehands would throw these top tier players all over the place. Especially when he hits it all the way to the left or right.
As I said, Murray's goes deeper more often. Djokovic's is obviously much better, but power isn't everything. When it comes to tactics, consistency and reliability then Murray's is better. Much more consistent, much more spin, can get some power on it, better slice, better depth (most of the time) and much moer accurate.
3. Haven't paid too much attention on the "pass" so I can't comment.
Murray's pass is BY FAR better than Djokovic's.
I'm not even going to bother explaining why Murray's is better.
But if we averaged out the utility of their forehands, I would definitely purchase a Djokovic forehand over Murray's any time of the year. Murray's accuracy is not enough to allow him to escape in all situations against the likes of power players like Gonzalez, Federer, Soderling, Berdych, Tsonga, Roddick (preferably when he's on), Cilic, Del Potro etc. Although he did defeat Del Potro at the U.S. Open, and that's because Del Potro's skill level wasn't as good as Murray's yet. Djokovic will probably join this list if he faces Murray at a slam.
But almost all the players I mentioned above crushed him with power games at the slams. Murray's accurate forehand works on lower level ranked players, and 1 dimensional players. But against players with massive forehands, he'll have to come with a lot of accuracy and a ridiculously strong defense to survive at the slams.
Murray's forehand isn't the only reason he gets defeated by those players. He just wasn't playing well against them, and they were playing well. It had nothing to do with the forehand.
Most of those guys have bigger forehands, but only Del Potro, Soderling, Berdych, Tsonga and Federer have better forehands than Murray. Goznalez's is big, but that's it. Nothing else to it than just power. Same with Cilic, except his is worse. Roddick's is weaker than Murray's, even if he's on or not, and doesn't have any accuracy or depth on it.
Murray's forehand is better when it comes to accuracy, than all of them, except maybe Federer's.
When it comes to reliability and consistency, only Federer's is better too.
murray is better than djokovic according to OP, but still murray is 5th and Djokovic is 3rd
Murray got almost 3/4 of his rankings points from 3 tournaments. Djokovic has played tonnes of tournaments, much more than Murray, and he's not very far infront of him. Only 200/300 points.
Djokovic also gets chokers, rubbish opponents and easy draws. He hardly ever gets world class players, and when he does, he loses most of the time.
looool...are you serious man, i'm starting to be really concerned about your mental health..pls look at this picture above
What does this have to do woth my mental health?
Murray has a better forehand than Djokovic. He has better one than Cilic too.
Originally Posted by Commander Data
Blindovic by a mile.
No, Murray's of overall is more consistent, accurate and reliable.
Seriously, MTF retardation had reached new lows. First Federer's_Mug (see signature) then this kidiot.
Federer's Mate was right.
You have nothing good to say?
He's also correct about Isner.
Djokovic's forehand is actually a great shot when it's on. Murray's forehand, even at its best, is mediocre.
Murray's forehand, at its best, is a great weapon. It has accuracy, reliability and POWER on it.
Normally though, it's not very powerful, but far more reliable, accurate, deeper and consistent than Djokovic's.
In other words, Murray's is overall better.
Djokovic can win slams with his forehand.
That's the only difference that matters, and it's huge.
What a fucking ridiculous thread.
Djokovic can't win slams with just his forehand
His forehand is very average a lot of the time.
Nothing really special about it.
At its best, it's a great shot, but normally (usually he's in crap form) it's not very special and rather average.