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post #811 of 1120 (permalink) Old 11-09-2012, 05:02 PM
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Re: Endless Djokovic/Murray Debates (Are their matches boring)

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It's on neither's racquet because neither is an especially aggressive player, although both have big weapons. Djokovic used to be aggressive (going for winners early in a point) in 2007/8. Since then he has basically been an aggressive grinder, rather like Ferrer with a backhand.
This, I used to enjoy Djokovic's game a lot more before, it was more fluid, more technical and looking to take the initiative of the points much more: 2008 AO, 2010 US open SF were some of my favorites matches from him. Recently, he has basically managed to take out all of the risks off his game relying on running all the balls down. Murray is similar the only difference is that he varies shots more. But his main mindset is the same.

Anyway, you would need to pay me to watch the whole match of 4 hours + of them. The way they approach their matches is basically like an Iron man competition, let's keep the ball relatively high and safe with minimum risk and see who is the more macho man in running down more balls and playing better defense for longer. Winners and shot making are nearly meaningless, is all about stamina. I just tune in in the last 20 minutes of the match, where 8 out 10 times Djokovic takes it, due to having a better mentality. Oh and just to add, Nadal wasn't any better, he and Djokovic started this trend of Incredible Physical matches before Murray was a protagonist.

The only thing I give to Nadal some slack, is that he does tries his best to play aggressively with his game, the thing is the way his game is built FH, serve is very hard for him to play a straight aggressive game on faster surfaces. On clay you can see him running over guys whenever he can.
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This, I used to enjoy Djokovic's game a lot more before, it was more fluid, more technical and looking to take the initiative of the points much more: 2008 AO, 2010 US open SF were some of my favorites matches from him. Recently, he has basically managed to take out all of the risks off his game relying on running all the balls down. Murray is similar the only difference is that he varies shots more. But his main mindset is the same.

Anyway, you would need to pay me to watch the whole match of 4 hours + of them. The way they approach their matches is basically like an Iron man competition, let's keep the ball relatively high and safe with minimum risk and see who is the more macho man in running down more balls and playing better defense for longer. Winners and shot making are nearly meaningless, is all about stamina. I just tune in in the last 20 minutes of the match, where 8 out 10 times Djokovic takes it, due to having a better mentality. Oh and just to add, Nadal wasn't any better, he and Djokovic started this trend of Incredible Physical matches before Murray was a protagonist.

The only thing I give to Nadal some slack, is that he does tries his best to play aggressively with his game, the thing is the way his game is built FH, serve is very hard for him to play a straight aggressive game on faster surfaces. On clay you can see him running over guys whenever he can.
Maybe there is a reason for all that? like tactics? I have seen Nole play offensive on many occasions. I agree he was more offensive back in 2007/08 but as we see more ineffective also.



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Novak needs to think before hammering the serve. Just tossing in bad serves and wild forehands won't cut it.

He became too moody this year. Therefore, the Slam semi/finals were pure nightmares. Last year, he took care of his serve, not sloppy like this year. He was a wreck when he had to worry about what to do to be number 1 and a role model to fans/organizers of public events.
Just has to focus on a few things and stop talking so much to the media about his mistakes.
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Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?

Djokovic easily makes the final of Abu Dhabi routing Ferrer 6-0 6-3 while Murray bombs out early to Tipsy.
I know it's only an exho but it's the previous to AO and the players take it as their preparation for Australia. Will this trend prevail in 2013 with Novak making it to most finals and Murray winning here or there but losing early in lesser tournaments? I don't think Andy can make it ever to nº1 with that attitude, he simply can't. He needs to prapare as well for the slams as for the rest of the tournaments. Has he got the mental strenght and will to be number 1? What are your predictions for the upcoming season?



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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?

USO 2012 was a fluke, and the 2013 tennis season should prove it for all to see
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Murray will have a positive H2H against Djokovic in 2013.


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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?

wishful thinking from you Nole Fan

the trend will be this - Murray slapping Nole around like he did in Olympics and US Open, hope that HELPED.
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wishful thinking from you Nole Fan

the trend will be this - Murray slapping Nole around like he did in Olympics and US Open, hope that HELPED.
Maybe he'll do it like in AO and WTF. Hope that helped

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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?

H2H this year will be 5-1 Djoker...vs Dullerer that is, probably even (3-3) vs Murray.
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Who cares about exhos? Last time Murray was in one he lost to Tipsy and Nole.


And then reached the Wimbledon final before winning the Olympics.

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Who cares about exhos? Last time Murray was in one he lost to Tipsy and Nole.


And then reached the Wimbledon final before winning the Olympics.
This is just before the AO, so don't get so ahead...



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i mean, he beat Ferrer 6/0 6/3 today, amazing how NoleDal take even exhos so seriously

those bastards wouldnt know how to play friendly even in a game of cards
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Murray will have a positive H2H against Djokovic in 2013.
Says the great master of predictions.Fed in 2, right?
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wishful thinking from you Nole Fan

the trend will be this - Murray slapping Nole around like he did in Olympics and US Open, hope that HELPED.
You mean like he did in Shanghai and London?Hope that helps.
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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?

Nole only won both those matches coz Murray choked
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