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post #46 of 1120 (permalink) Old 11-09-2008, 06:12 AM
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Re: Murray vs Djokovic: Who will have the best carrer?

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I knew you'd disagree with point 2. After all, Haas has one of the best slices in the open era and you could never admit that Murray's is better
So you think Murray has a better slice than Haas?

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Re: Murray vs Djokovic: Who will have the best carrer?

the fact that a player has the best shot on a generation doesn't automatically mean they are best than others, the variety and the consistency are more important

Haas has a much better slice than Murray, but Muzza is a more consistent player, his shots are more accurate most of the time and he has a better mental strenght

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Murray has a talent. Djokovic had a luck at the AO to play MonoFed, not the usual Fed.
Murray will be a multiple GS winner. Djokovic will be barely remembered as a One Slam Wonder, coz he has no game to beat Fed or Murray on HC, he has no game for grass & clay to beat Federer or Nadal. On the other hand Murray has the game to beat Fed in a couple of years when the Legend becomes older. Also his all-around smart tennis with the huge serv is quite suitable for the green clay court of Wimbledon.

So, in a couple of years anyone may bump this thread to laugh about the fact this question even been raised.
I hope you will remember what you sad in two years time, might come back and bite your ass.It is fullish to predict but I think they can both win more than one slam.
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Re: Murray vs Djokovic: Who will have the best carrer?

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So you think Murray has a better slice than Haas?
Hard to say really. I think Murray's has improved beyond all recognition this year. I've never seen Haas employ the slice the way Murray did to beat Del Potro at the US Open. He might have a fantastic slice, but I've never seen him win a match with it.

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Post Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Murray and Djokovic have been the 2 big guys after Nadal and Federer for the past 2/3 years.

Murray has the better backhand, the better first serve, the better movement, the better volleys and much better slice, lobs and tactics.

Djokovic only has one thing better than Murray: the second serve.

But what about the forehand?

Djokovic's can break down badly and he shanks it a lot.
Murray's is very consistent, has a lot of spin and can gets very deep and can get some sting on it too.

In my opinion, Murray's forehand is much better, for these reasons:

1. Much more consistent. He never goes into a faze where he just shanks it all the time, which Djokovic does from time to time.
2. It gets deeper more often and more spin is on it, which is harder to control for the opponent, while Djokovic's is usually bigger but doesn't go very deep.
3. Murray's pass on that side is phenomenal, Djokovic's isn't.

So what do you think?
Who has the better forehand?
Murray or Djokovic?

As I said above, I think Murray's forehand is better than Djokovic's, but what do you think?

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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Nole's. Not really close.

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Djokovic has a better rally forehand; Murray has a better forehand pass and forehand return.
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Another Epic Thread From Typhoon

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Djokovic and its not even close

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Murray and Djokovic have been the 2 big guys after Nadal and Federer for the past 2/3 years.

Murray has the better backhand, the better first serve, the better movement, the better volleys and much better slice, lobs and tactics.

Djokovic only has one thing better than Murray: the second serve.

But what about the forehand?

Djokovic's can break down badly and he shanks it a lot.
Murray's is very consistent, has a lot of spin and can gets very deep and can get some sting on it too.

In my opinion, Murray's forehand is much better, for these reasons:

1. Much more consistent. He never goes into a faze where he just shanks it all the time, which Djokovic does from time to time.
2. It gets deeper more often and more spin is on it, which is harder to control for the opponent, while Djokovic's is usually bigger but doesn't go very deep.
3. Murray's pass on that side is phenomenal, Djokovic's isn't.

So what do you think?
Who has the better forehand?
Murray or Djokovic?

As I said above, I think Murray's forehand is better than Djokovic's, but what do you think?

Discuss......

I can't even explain how wrong you are. about the step1, 2, and 3.

1. Djokovic has one of the best forehands for a typical base game. He can hit it left or right at command. It's not as accurate as Murray's forehand (arguably the most accurate on tour), but it's enough for Djokovic to break down his opponents weak forehands and take them out in a few small rallies.

2. Bigger but not deeper?? This is ridiculously wrong. Djokovic forehand has some weight on it. But it's known to be arguably the DEEPEST forehand on the tour. I suggest you watch Djokovic vs Federer semifinal at the U.S. Open 2008, Federer had to literally bend on his knees to whip some forehands back into play. Those forehands by Djokovic are ridiculously massive. He can hit the deep ends of the line. Why do you think it is that Federer gets so frustrated when he's about to play Djokovic at the slams?? It's because of this reason, if Federer's footwork is off JUST SLIGHTLY, he won't be able to bring back Nole's attack. It's a pain in the ass to play him. Nadal also has problems on hard courts in the past when he faced Djokovic for similar reasons, his DEEP forehands would throw these top tier players all over the place. Especially when he hits it all the way to the left or right.

3. Haven't paid too much attention on the "pass" so I can't comment.

But if we averaged out the utility of their forehands, I would definitely purchase a Djokovic forehand over Murray's any time of the year. Murray's accuracy is not enough to allow him to escape in all situations against the likes of power players like Gonzalez, Federer, Soderling, Berdych, Tsonga, Roddick (preferably when he's on), Cilic, Del Potro etc. Although he did defeat Del Potro at the U.S. Open, and that's because Del Potro's skill level wasn't as good as Murray's yet. Djokovic will probably join this list if he faces Murray at a slam.

But almost all the players I mentioned above crushed him with power games at the slams. Murray's accurate forehand works on lower level ranked players, and 1 dimensional players. But against players with massive forehands, he'll have to come with a lot of accuracy and a ridiculously strong defense to survive at the slams.
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murray is better than djokovic according to OP, but still murray is 5th and Djokovic is 3rd
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