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Being aggressive doesnt necessarily mean hitting more winners than your rival

Many times I've seen on this forum people saying that player X was aggressive during a match because he hit more winners than player Y. I hold the view that this is a very simplistic logic, devoid of any real analysis, usually used by tards who don't understand the game.

Allow me to explain: While it is evidently usually the case that the more aggressive players make more winners, it's in some instances not the case at all. Especially not in today's era where the courts are slow allowing for long rallies. For example, let's imagine a defensive oriented player like Nadal or Djokovic. Both are able to sustain long rallies with consistency and both are able to counter-punch effectively. Thus, when they face a relatively offensive player, they are able to respond and cope well to a high amount of their offensive shots until they find a relative open place to pass him, especially if such "relatively offensive player" is aggressive enough to go to the net (in point of fact, adopting an aggressive stance like trying to volley a lot in today's conditions against those players could mean facing a lot of winners coming at you, in spite of your aggressive strategy!).

In conclusion, while the more aggressive player usually makes more winners, one can adopt a defensive stance (grind and counterpunch) and hit more winners than an offensive rival who likes to set the pace and aggression. It is for this reason that it is wrong to conclude that player X was more aggressive merely because he hit more winners.

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Wow. Didn't know this before.

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Re: Being aggressive doesnt necessarily mean hitting more winners than your rival

Federer could hit a forehand shot that would be a winner onany medium fast
Court

Nole runs it down on sandpaper slow hard court

Eventually all of Federers aggression causes an error from roger

Or fed follows in a clean shot. Nole passes him

In this way Federer has been 100% aggressive
Nole has pushed all match
But nole ends up with more winners

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Federer could hit a forehand shot that would be a winner onany medium fast
Court

Nole runs it down on sandpaper slow hard court

Eventually all of Federers aggression causes an error from roger

Or fed follows in a clean shot. Nole passes him

In this way Federer has been 100% aggressive
Nole has pushed all match
But nole ends up with more winners
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Federer could hit a forehand shot that would be a winner onany medium fast
Court

Nole runs it down on sandpaper slow hard court

Eventually all of Federers aggression causes an error from roger

Or fed follows in a clean shot. Nole passes him

In this way Federer has been 100% aggressive
Nole has pushed all match
But nole ends up with more winners
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slow grass. slow hard court. all slow surface.

what great era.

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I agree. The mature Agassi was aggressive but he didn't go for many winners.
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only if you play against Dustin Brown..

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I didn't read a damn thing, but I actually agree.

It amazes me when people immediately refer to the stats sheet as an attempt to say "x is not aggressive" or "does not play aggressively".

Playing with aggressive intent and actually acquiring winners are not inseparable. This is especially true in today's game, wherein many players employ a marginal offense. That is to say, they can hit heavier balls, advance their positioning, or proactively move the ball around the court to dictate play without actually redlining it.

Guys like Djokovic, Del Potro, Nadal, and Roddick (when he chose to play aggressively in recent years) come to mind for varying reasons.
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Federer could hit a forehand shot that would be a winner onany medium fast
Court

Nole runs it down on sandpaper slow hard court

Eventually all of Federers aggression causes an error from roger

Or fed follows in a clean shot. Nole passes him

In this way Federer has been 100% aggressive
Nole has pushed all match
But nole ends up with more winners
4th post and the idiocy begins yet again

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