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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

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Ljubicic had wins over Federer, Djokovic, Murray, a TMS beating Nadal and Roddick, and a GS semi final which is better than Boredo's cheat-assisted TMS and his bend over jobs in quarter finals. He also defeated Agassi, Roddick, Nalbandian and Davydenko over best of 5 in the same Davis Cup campaign.

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This. Peak Ljubicic is better than Robredo by far and superior to Ferrer too.

He led Croatia to a Davis Cup title with Ancic playing his 2 singles and the doubles too. He could've won more if he wasn't playing with Federer in his prime.

Ferrer isn't a threat to the TOP 4. He does challenge Murray when they play. He beat him at RG last year and almost gets 2-0 in Wimbledon, but against the other 3 is awful. Never beat Federer and lately he's been horrible against Nadal and Djokovic (In 2007 he beat them a few times, but since then...)

For the moment he deserves the TOP 4 since he beats the ones under him and Berdych and Tsonga are very inconsistent, but as soon as Delpo steps up his game a bit he will be the N5. I expect this to be happening at the end of this year.

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

Rainer Schuettler has been top 5, FFS . There is no such thing as an undeserving top 5 player.

He is worse than the top 4 and a lot better than the rest of the field, deal with it.

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

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Rainer Schuettler has been top 5, FFS . There is no such thing as an undeserving top 5 player.

He is worse than the top 4 and a lot better than the rest of the field, deal with it.
Mocking Schuettler, are we? I seem to remember him playing a Grand Slam final, how many of those has Ferrer played? Exactly...

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

just for reference, tonnes of players have made Top 4/5 since 1973 - Kiefer, Bjorkman, Clerc, Novak, Jarryd, Forget, Gilbert, Solomon, Arias, Dibbs, G. Mayer, Ramirez, Rusedski, Gottfried, etc just for starters.

all obviously deserved it (not that the word "deserve" is useful in any sense here), but the point is - do people know all of these guys' careers? or is "ever" actually the past 6/7 years?

I mean, tbh, my vote goes to Jiro Sato.

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Mocking Schuettler, are we? I seem to remember him playing a Grand Slam final, how many of those has Ferrer played? Exactly...
Finals are irrelevant if you don't win them.

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It's between him and Boredo for sure.



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Finals are irrelevant if you don't win them.
At least he played them.

But yeah, Rainer had like what, one good year?

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

Only if you started watching tennis yesterday.
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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

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At least he played them.

But yeah, Rainer had like what, one good year?
Yup although he also reached the Monte Carlo final in 2004 (coming through a very tricky draw) and a Wimbledon semi final in 2008. He's not as bad as Boredo.

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

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It's between him and Boredo for sure.

It has long ceased to be a 'theory', but rather a verified fact.
You started watching tennis in 2006, no?

The thing I wonder is why do we idolize players with talent but no ability to maximize it and vilify players that a lacking talent but find a way to maximize their abilities. It seems backwards to me.

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

Oh dear God, I'm not exactly a good ol boy on here, but the average IQ on this forum has dropped 30 points since I joined. I think Lenders is probably just trolling, but it astounds me the number of people who seriously buy what he says.
No. The world # 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 are clearly worse than he is. The #5 is injured. If you are the 4th best player, you deserve the #4 spot, that's that



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At least he played them.

But yeah, Rainer had like what, one good year?
He had roughly the same tournament as Ferrer this year, similar efforts

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Ferrer is probably the worst top 5 player ever.
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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

I think maybe the answer is Kevin Curren, but of course I can be forgetting some players.

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