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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

Ljubicic is one of the most undeserving top 5 players of all time. Actually he might be #1 in that regard. Robredo had quite a few slam quarter-finals to his name so he is nowhere near being the most undeserving.

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

If you beat everyone else, but lose to the top 4, then why do you not deserve to be ranked fifth?

As far as I am concerned, if you beat everyone below you, then you deserve your ranking.
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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

Does anyone have a link for today's Game, Set and Mats.

I, as many here, don't particularly like Wilander's style but he had some harsh words for Ferrer in today's show.
He said Ferrer was content in making the semis and that he basically bowed down to Djokovic. He also said that Ferrer is an undeserving #4/#5 and that guys like Berdych, Tsonga and Del Potro should make a move and take him out of the top 5 as they should be there and not Ferrer.

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

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Ljubicic is one of the most undeserving top 5 players of all time. Actually he might be #1 in that regard. Robredo had quite a few slam quarter-finals to his name so he is nowhere near being the most undeserving.
Ljubicic had wins over Federer, Djokovic, Murray, a TMS beating Nadal and Roddick, and a GS semi final which is better than Boredo's cheat-assisted TMS and his bend over jobs in quarter finals. He also defeated Agassi, Roddick, Nalbandian and Davydenko over best of 5 in the same Davis Cup campaign.

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

How long has he been a top 5?... Yes, a very long time. So the answer is obviously NO.
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Does anyone have a link for today's Game, Set and Mats.

I, as many here, don't particularly like Wilander's style but he had some harsh words for Ferrer in today's show.
He said Ferrer was content in making the semis and that he basically bowed down to Djokovic. He also said that Ferrer is an undeserving #4/#5 and that guys like Berdych, Tsonga and Del Potro should make a move and take him out of the top 5 as they should be there and not Ferrer.
Smart chap this Wilander. I'm most interested in that link if anyone has got it too.

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

A lot of players have wins over Federer, Djokovic and Murray...what makes Ljubo so special? Ljubicic was awful in slams, wasn't that good overall and only got so high in the rankings because....I'm not even sure how he got that high. Ljubicic is the worst top 5 player of all time or close to it at least. Robredo is underrated and hated way too much. Yes, he's not one of the best top 5 players ever but he's got good results in slams and overall.

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

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Does anyone have a link for today's Game, Set and Mats.

I, as many here, don't particularly like Wilander's style but he had some harsh words for Ferrer in today's show.
He said Ferrer was content in making the semis and that he basically bowed down to Djokovic. He also said that Ferrer is an undeserving #4/#5 and that guys like Berdych, Tsonga and Del Potro should make a move and take him out of the top 5 as they should be there and not Ferrer.
If that's what he said, I agree with Wilanders word for word. Neither of these players would end up with a lopsided scoreline. Even Berdych Managed 11 games over four sets for cryin out loud, and he's mentally fragile.

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

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Does anyone have a link for today's Game, Set and Mats.

I, as many here, don't particularly like Wilander's style but he had some harsh words for Ferrer in today's show.
He said Ferrer was content in making the semis and that he basically bowed down to Djokovic. He also said that Ferrer is an undeserving #4/#5 and that guys like Berdych, Tsonga and Del Potro should make a move and take him out of the top 5 as they should be there and not Ferrer.
He spoke a lot of sense today.

During the match also said that if tennis rankings were based on fulfilling your potential Ferrer would be right up there, perhaps even above Federer, but it's not. Also spoke about how although he's #5 he's the furthest away from the very top guys than the guys ranked just below him.

First time I've actually loved listening to him commentating.
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A lot of players have wins over Federer, Djokovic and Murray...what makes Ljubo so special? Ljubicic was awful in slams, wasn't that good overall and only got so high in the rankings because....I'm not even sure how he got that high. Ljubicic is the worst top 5 player of all time or close to it at least. Robredo is underrated and hated way too much. Yes, he's not one of the best top 5 players ever but he's got good results in slams and overall.
Boredo's record: AO QF, RG QF, Wimbledon 3R, USO 4R
Ljubo's record: AO QF, RG SF, Wimbledon 3R, USO 3R

Boredo's TMS record: 1 win 0 finals
Ljubo's TMS record: 1 win 3 finals

Boredo highest ranking: 5
Ljubo highest ranking: 3

H2H- Ljubo leads 5-1

Ljubo vs top 4:

Djokovic: 2-7
Federer: 3-13
Murray: 3-4
Nadal: 2-7


Boredo vs top 4:

Djokovic: 1-5
Federer: 0-10
Murray: 2-2
Nadal: 0-6

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

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Boredo's record: AO QF, RG QF, Wimbledon 3R, USO 4R
Ljubo's record: AO QF, RG SF, Wimbledon 3R, USO 3R

Boredo's TMS record: 1 win 0 finals
Ljubo's TMS record: 1 win 3 finals

Boredo highest ranking: 5
Ljubo highest ranking: 3

H2H- Ljubo leads 5-1

Ljubo vs top 4:

Djokovic: 2-7
Federer: 3-13
Murray: 3-4
Nadal: 2-7


Boredo vs top 4:

Djokovic: 1-5
Federer: 0-10
Murray: 2-2
Nadal: 0-6

Stats don't lie.
To be fair, those stats aren't very relevant because when those guys peaked Djokovic and Murray weren't in the top 4, if anything you should compare H2H against the best players of their era (so Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, etc...). Still, Ljubicic clearly >>>>>>>> clowns like Boredo and Ferrer.

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Re: Is Ferrer the most undeserving top 5 player ever?

The concept in the thread title doesn't exist. If it did the answer would be Boredo.

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Disappointed to hear such disgusting bullshit from a Federer fan, like doung said. Didn't expect this.
Not a Ferrer or Federer fan, Did expect this and have never been disappointed by the bull on GM.

Ferrer made another Semi and again outperformed Del Potro and his basher crew. Still beating everyone below him in the rankings and expectedly losing to those above. Pretty much sums up what is required to be a top 5 player methinks.

Tl;dr: Robredo
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Not a Ferrer or Federer fan, Did expect this and have never been disappointed by the bull on GM.

Ferrer made another Semi and again outperformed Del Potro and his basher crew. Still beating everyone below him in the rankings and expectedly losing to those above. Pretty much sums up what is required to be a top 5 player methinks.

Tl;dr: Robredo
He didn't outperform Tsonga and Berdych Those two just faced one of the top 2 earlier and they put a much better fight than Ferrer, each of them won more games in a set than Ferrer in the entire match.

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Blake, Legenda, Boredo are worse and that's just the past five years.

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