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View Poll Results: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
Berdych 60 40.00%
Tsonga 88 58.67%
Del Potro 42 28.00%
Nadal 10 6.67%
Federer 79 52.67%
Murray 8 5.33%
Djokovic 7 4.67%
Simon 5 3.33%
Almagro 8 5.33%
Tomic 11 7.33%
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness

I chose Tsonga, Berdych and Federer, relatively to the others.

Del Po no, his kind of game suits slow courts as well, and he doesn't move well enough. I don't get the "big forehand" MTF legend (did Lenders watch Del Po-Chardy ? I remember I thought of what he tells us "when the rally goes to Del Po's forehand, it's game over for the opponent" )
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Voted only for Tsonga, though this is very speculative. It tends to help the higher ranked players stay at the top.

Federer himself actually admitted that it helped him extend his career.

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Tsonga and Fed, obviously.
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Federer himself actually admitted that it helped him.
What Federer said IIRC, and what I think is true, is that top-players have less danger to suffer losses against lower-ranked players, typically big servers ... in those conditions.

It's easier for top-players to be so constant at reaching the late rounds.

It's not the only reason comparing to the 90s by the way : also the seeding system.

But I don't think that Fed did say that it helped him against the likes of Nadal, Djokovic and Murray, who have been his main opponents for long. He's not stupid.

I think overall Fed has mostly suffered of slower hardcourts against those, but I don't think he's suffered of slow grass overall because it's also helped him against big servers.
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Going by official ratings Murray would probably do better with more fast courts:

Cincinnati Category 5: Fast (Winner x2)
Rogers Cup Category 5: Fast (Winner x2)
Shanghai Masters Category 4: Medium-fast (Winner x2)
US Open Category 5 – Fast (Winner x1)
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Going by official ratings Murray would probably do better with more fast courts:

Cincinnati Category 5: Fast (Winner x2)
Rogers Cup Category 5: Fast (Winner x2)
Shanghai Masters Category 4: Medium-fast (Winner x2)
US Open Category 5 – Fast (Winner x1)
there's also the second part of the year factor, but comparing to Nadal and Djokovic, I think so, yes.
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Really? I've never heard that before. How do you rate the different GS surfaces?
AO is the slowest, i think everyone agrees on that, and Wimbledon is the fastest. USopen used to be fast, but has been slowed down considerably in the last couple of years. I guess its debatable if its as slow as AO. RG is faster than AO but slower than Wimbledon.
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AO is the slowest, i think everyone agrees on that, and Wimbledon is the fastest. USopen used to be fast, but has been slowed down considerably in the last couple of years. I guess its debatable if its as slow as AO. RG is faster than AO but slower than Wimbledon.
If Wimbledon is the fastest then even more reason why JMDP doesn't want faster courts
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Federer /thread.

YEah Tsonga and Berdych might have made it a bit further in GS and perhaps, at most, won a grand slam or two. Federer has probably been duped out of 5/6 more grand slams because of the darned surfaces.

Oh well, that's life I guess.
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If Wimbledon is the fastest then even more reason why JMDP doesn't want faster courts
Thats because his movement is terrible on grass.
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there's also the second part of the year factor, but comparing to Nadal and Djokovic, I think so, yes.
Also he has an 81% win/loss record at Wimbledon to consider, compared to 80% at USO, 79% at AO, and 75% at RG.
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Thats because his movement is terrible on grass.
That's a fair point. And the low bounce as well. I still think he benefits from slower courts because he prefers generating his own power rather than redirecting the power of an opponent.
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That's a fair point. And the low bounce as well. I still think he benefits from slower courts because he prefers generating his own power rather than redirecting the power of an opponent.
I remember that somebody had posted to TF that the Olympic grass was shorter than usual Wimbledon grass. That made the surface faster but also higher bouncing (and higher bounce makes a surface effectively slower). So I wonder if the higher bounce helped JMDP at OG, assuming it really was higher-bouncing.

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I remember SdG once claiming it was Nadal hahahaha

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I actually think DP benefits from the slowness. He has a huge take back on the forehand and sometimes appears a little rushed on fast surfaces. Where as he is good enough that he can take huge cuts with his forehand a number of times in a row without missing so he can still build a point on slower courts.

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