Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year - MensTennisForums.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 03:35 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Yashirobai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Age: 28
Posts: 1,686
                     
Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Yes. I know it was not an ATP tournament, but, for those like me who are big Ferrero fans and have had a very disappointing season, let's just remember that Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1 -even though some people "forget" about him and underrate him as well sometimes- and he can beat the considered-God Federer.

GO FERRERO IN 2005 (but win Davis Cup before!)


Favourite players:

Nadal ~ Fish [Fisho] ~ Ferrero [Juancho] ~ Hewitt [Llautó] ~ Nalbandian


Quote:
Q: Are you going to party tonight?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Yes. Victories must be celebrated always.
Yashirobai is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 03:52 PM
Registered User
 
Sjengster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Somewhere fairly shingly
Age: 30
Posts: 11,359
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

I remember seeing the result of this - I'm not going to start pouring scorn over the win, but from what I heard about the match and the entire tournament Federer treated the whole thing like an exhibition, playing silly shots at times and not really giving 100%. This is a classic example of his Sampras-like conserving of energy and utilising the minimum of effort, because when they met again in the semis of the AO just a few weeks later Federer was certainly not treating it as a joke.

Still, I for one haven't forgotten that Ferrero was the last Top 10 player to defeat Federer on tour, and it's ironic that all his wins are on hard, not clay - the one match on clay, in Rome last year, was marred by an injury to Ferrero that forced him to retire. I'd pick a healthy Ferrero to beat Federer 9 times out of 10 on clay, and to challenge him on hardcourts, but on that surface he seems vulnerable to the flatter shots of Federer and his returning can be very inconsistent: low and penetrating at times, high and floating at others.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
Sjengster is offline  
post #3 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 03:53 PM
Registered User
 
RexEverything's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 22
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yashirobai
Yes. I know it was not an ATP tournament, but, for those like me who are big Ferrero fans and have had a very disappointing season, let's just remember that Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1 -even though some people "forget" about him and underrate him as well sometimes- and he can beat the considered-God Federer.

GO FERRERO IN 2005 (but win Davis Cup before!)

*YAWN*
RexEverything is offline  
post #4 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 04:00 PM
Registered User
 
Sjengster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Somewhere fairly shingly
Age: 30
Posts: 11,359
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Just the other day I was watching Ferrero's win over Agassi in the US Open semis last year, his last truly great performance up till now - ah, we definitely need him back. He's one of those players who you don't really appreciate until they're gone, rather like Safin last year - frankly, the Trials and Tribulations of Marat Safin became tedious during 2002, but when he was absent through virtually all of 2003 there was a definite gap in the tour. Apart from anything else, I want to see if there is one year where all the five New Balls who have won Slams can be right at the top of the game next to each other. It hasn't happened so far: Hewitt and Safin were on top in 2002, then Roddick, Federer and Ferrero last year (remember that article about the Three Kings of men's tennis? It seems hard to believe at the moment that Ferrero was the third king), and now Ferrero has dropped out of sight.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
Sjengster is offline  
post #5 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 04:15 PM
country flag RPH
Senior Member
 
RPH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Cheshire
Age: 26
Posts: 520
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

It was an exhibtion

Like Federer was probably trying hard

Ferrero is not good enough IMO to be a consisent #1 and people don't under-rate him
RPH is offline  
post #6 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 04:29 PM
Registered User
 
Sjengster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Somewhere fairly shingly
Age: 30
Posts: 11,359
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Ah, it's always nice to crack out the roll-eyed smilies in place of anything resembling a decent argument. It might be worth remembering that Ferrero was the best all-round player last year by some way, one of only three men to make the second week of every Slam (the others being Agassi and Schuettler) and the best performer in the Slams, reaching two finals. He won TMS titles on clay and indoor hard, whereas Roddick's back to back TMS victories were on the same surface. The bottom line is, he was the deserving year-end no. 1, and if he hadn't had such a terrible end to the year he would have got it.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
Sjengster is offline  
post #7 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 04:41 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 4,468
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yashirobai
Yes. I know it was not an ATP tournament, but, for those like me who are big Ferrero fans and have had a very disappointing season, let's just remember that Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1 -even though some people "forget" about him and underrate him as well sometimes- and he can beat the considered-God Federer.

GO FERRERO IN 2005 (but win Davis Cup before!)
You should add Kooyong in your regarding too.

Poor JC and poor JC fans this year. I totally understand your intension of opening this thread. I really hope JC can come back fully fit to join the competition of this young generation. But...

Surely you can go on with your dreams
And Sjengster, you are a true
yanchr is offline  
post #8 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 05:03 PM
country flag RPH
Senior Member
 
RPH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Cheshire
Age: 26
Posts: 520
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjengster
Ah, it's always nice to crack out the roll-eyed smilies in place of anything resembling a decent argument. It might be worth remembering that Ferrero was the best all-round player last year by some way, one of only three men to make the second week of every Slam (the others being Agassi and Schuettler) and the best performer in the Slams, reaching two finals. He won TMS titles on clay and indoor hard, whereas Roddick's back to back TMS victories were on the same surface. The bottom line is, he was the deserving year-end no. 1, and if he hadn't had such a terrible end to the year he would have got it.
I didn't say he should never be #1 I said he won't be a consisent #1
And even if he did have a great 2003 doesn't mean he's the #1 player in the world the years 11 months of lots of tournaments not just grand slams and masters

Here's some more to you
RPH is offline  
post #9 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 05:11 PM
Registered User
 
tennischick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,771
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yashirobai
...the considered-God Federer
delete that word "considered" por favor!!!

Q. When you've played as few matches as you have over the last two, three months, did you ever lack motivation to go out and practice?

ANDY RODDICK: Motivation? No. I enjoy what I do. I enjoy what I do. You know, I've never been one to, you know, blow off practice or, you know, do anything like that.

You know, I'd be lying if I said I'm looking forward to practicing the next two days as opposed to playing here. That part is gonna suck...(2010 Aegon Championships)
tennischick is offline  
post #10 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 05:15 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 47
               
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Federer will crush Ferrero for the remainder of their respective careers.
Rick V is offline  
post #11 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 05:42 PM
Registered User
 
mitalidas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,048
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yashirobai
Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1
doesn't prove anything. By your logic, Nadal, Berdych, Henman, Costa and Guga they're all good enough to be No. 1
Ferrero was soundly beaten by Roger when it mattered-- a "real" tournament, a few weeks later-- in fact, a GS
mitalidas is offline  
post #12 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 06:18 PM
Registered User
 
Jorge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Guanajuato, México
Posts: 5,520
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Quote:
Originally Posted by tennischick
delete that word "considered" por favor!!!
hehehe TC you are a

"Quienes creen que el dinero lo hace todo,
terminan haciendo todo por dinero".
Voltaire (1694-1778), filósofo y escritor francés.
Jorge is offline  
post #13 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 08:10 PM
Registered User
 
roisin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Age: 27
Posts: 6,369
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

man i remember seeing that result and i didn't really pay much attention to it cos it was only an exhibition & its not like he'd never beaten feds before. but now that u mention it......i probably should've paid more attention to it cos it was probably one of the highlights of the year...how crap does that sound??? its true though...*sigh*

How many times must we of shot nerves witness the undoubted pain & suffering of muppets everywhere before we stand up against the cavemen??

One muppet, who wishes to remain anonymous, has this to say: "You know, I uhhhh cannot stay all the time at the you know, base of the line. Too much uhhhh pression."

It is your turn to help - The "Save A Muppet Foundation" needs you!
roisin is offline  
post #14 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 08:24 PM
Registered User
 
liptea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: In Carlos Moya's heart. Possibly also his pants.
Posts: 4,176
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Quote:
Originally Posted by mitalidas
doesn't prove anything. By your logic, Nadal, Berdych, Henman, Costa and Guga they're all good enough to be No. 1
Ferrero was soundly beaten by Roger when it mattered-- a "real" tournament, a few weeks later-- in fact, a GS
Yet, Ferrero was already injured and struggling at the Aussie Open, his camp even suggested that he would pull out if it weren't a Slam. I saw that match, and poor Juan Carlos look troubled by injury and didn't play nearly at his best.

I really like what Sjengster said about not appreciating Ferrero until he's gone. Ferrero is such a quiet player and flies well under the radar-it's easy to remember louder players like Safin and Roddick (no insult meant here, that's the only word I could find), but he really is consistent, one of the most consistent players on tour if he's at his best. Wasn't Ferrero the only player on tour without a first-round loss last year? That's the ultimate consistency, he managed to play well throughout the year, until injuries caught up to him at the end.

As for Guga proving that he was good enough to be number one....I think that was the truest statement in your whole argument.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnyday View Post
If I want to write something on any thread then I'll do it on my own time
liptea is offline  
post #15 of 69 (permalink) Old 11-28-2004, 08:25 PM
Registered User
 
liptea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: In Carlos Moya's heart. Possibly also his pants.
Posts: 4,176
                     
Re: Ferrero won 1 title this year / Federer suffered 7 (not 6) losses this year

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yashirobai
Yes. I know it was not an ATP tournament, but, for those like me who are big Ferrero fans and have had a very disappointing season, let's just remember that Juan Carlos Ferrero defeated Roger Federer in 2004 in the Hong Kong final, in Jaunary, with a convincing 6-4, 6-4. It proves that, when Ferrero is at his peak, he is good enough to be No.1 -even though some people "forget" about him and underrate him as well sometimes- and he can beat the considered-God Federer.

GO FERRERO IN 2005 (but win Davis Cup before!)
Didn't he reach the mixed doubles final with Sharapova at that exhibition?
That's what I remembered about it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnyday View Post
If I want to write something on any thread then I'll do it on my own time
liptea is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the MensTennisForums.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome