The Top 50 Singles Players of the Open Era - MensTennisForums.com

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:11 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Sjengster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Somewhere fairly shingly
Age: 31
Posts: 11,359
                     
The Top 50 Singles Players of the Open Era

The three main factors beside the names are career-high ranking, number of Slams won and number of titles won:

1. Pete Sampras (#1, 14 Slams, 64 titles)
2. Rod Laver (#3*, 11 Slams, 39 titles*)
3. Bjorn Borg (#1, 11 Slams, 62 titles)
4. Andre Agassi (#1, 8 Slams, 60 titles)
5. Ivan Lendl (#1, 8 Slams, 94 titles)
6. Jimmy Connors (#1, 8 Slams, 109 titles)
7. John McEnroe (#1, 7 Slams, 77 titles)
8. Mats Wilander (#1, 7 Slams, 33 titles)
9. John Newcombe (#1*, 7 Slams, 31 titles*)
10. Ken Rosewall (#2*, 8 Slams, 25 titles*)
11. Boris Becker (#1, 6 Slams, 49 titles)
12. Stefan Edberg (#1, 6 Slams, 42 titles)
13. Roger Federer (#1, 5 Slams, 31 titles)
14. Guillermo Vilas (#2, 4 Slams, 62 titles)
15. Jim Courier (#1, 4 Slams, 23 titles)
16. Gustavo Kuerten (#1, 3 Slams, 20 titles)
17. Lleyton Hewitt (#1, 2 Slams, 23 titles)
18. Ilie Nastase (#1, 2 Slams, 52 titles)
19. Yevgeny Kafelnikov (#1, 2 Slams, 26 titles)
20. Marat Safin (#1, 2 Slams, 15 titles)
21. Arthur Ashe (#2, 3 Slams, 33 titles)
22. Patrick Rafter (#1, 2 Slams, 11 titles)
23. Stan Smith (#3, 2 Slams, 35 titles)
24. Sergi Bruguera (#3, 2 Slams, 14 titles)
25. Andy Roddick (#1, 1 Slam, 15 titles)
26. Juan Carlos Ferrero (#1, 1 Slam, 11 titles)
27. Carlos Moya (#1, 1 Slam, 17 titles)
28. Manuel Orantes (#2, 1 Slam, 33 titles)
29. Goran Ivanisevic (#2, 1 Slam, 22 titles)
30. Thomas Muster (#1, 1 Slam, 44 titles)
31. Michael Chang (#2, 1 Slam, 34 titles)
32. Rafael Nadal (#2, 1 Slam, 10 titles)
33. Vitas Gerulaitis (#3, 1 Slam, 24 titles)
34. Michael Stich (#2, 1 Slam, 18 titles)
35. Yannick Noah (#3, 1 Slam, 23 titles)
36. Richard Krajicek (#4, 1 Slam, 17 titles)
37. Andres Gomez (#4, 1 Slam, 21 titles)
38. Petr Korda (#2, 1 Slam, 10 titles)
39. Roscoe Tanner (#4, 1 Slam, 16 titles)
40. Pat Cash (#4, 1 Slam, 7 titles)
41. Marcelo Rios (#1, 1 Slam final, 18 titles)
42. Alex Corretja (#2, 2 Slam finals, 17 titles)
43. Brian Gottfried (#3, 1 Slam final, 25 titles)
44. Miloslav Mecir (#4, 2 Slam finals, 11 titles)
45. Thomas Enqvist (#4, 1 Slam final, 19 titles)
46. Jan Kodes (#5, 3 Slams, 8 titles)
47. Johan Kriek (#7, 2 Slams, 14 titles)
48. Albert Costa (#6, 1 Slam, 12 titles)
49. Thomas Johansson (#7, 1 Slam, 8 titles)
50. Gaston Gaudio (#8, 1 Slam, 3 titles)




*Open Era only - Laver, Newcombe and Rosewall all won Slams before tennis turned professional in 1968, but their "career-high" rankings only date from after the rankings system was introduced in 1973, and their titles won outside the Slams all date from post-1968 as well.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.

Last edited by Sjengster; 08-22-2005 at 11:16 PM.
Sjengster is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:13 PM
Registered User
 
mitalidas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,048
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

why is agassi before lendl?

4. Andre Agassi 1 8 59
5. Ivan Lendl 1 8 94
mitalidas is offline  
post #3 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:15 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Sjengster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Somewhere fairly shingly
Age: 31
Posts: 11,359
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

The career Slam. As usual I have no idea how to format a post properly, so I'll do it again...

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
Sjengster is offline  
post #4 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:15 PM
Registered User
 
Blaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 527
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

This you make this up or got it from somewhere?
Blaze is offline  
post #5 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:16 PM
Registered User
 
mitalidas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,048
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjengster
The career Slam. As usual I have no idea how to format a post properly, so I'll do it again...
hmmm.
the career slam is enough to outweigh the discrepancy between 59 and 94 titles and put Agassi in front of Lendl, but laver's career slam(s) are not enough to put him ahead of Pete?

The debate has commenced.... comment?
mitalidas is offline  
post #6 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:21 PM
Registered User
 
Fedex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 17,533
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

Quote:
Originally Posted by mitalidas
hmmm.
the career slam is enough to outweigh the discrepancy between 59 and 94 titles and put Agassi in front of Lendl, but laver's career slam(s) are not enough to put him ahead of Pete?

The debate has commenced.... comment?
It is very debatable whether Agassi should be in front of Lendl, but I give Lendl the slight edge, because of the difference in titles between him and Agassi.

"I think that now and until the end of my career, I can really play with my mind at peace, and no longer hear that I've never won Roland Garros." - Roger Federer
Fedex is offline  
post #7 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:22 PM
Registered User
 
Blaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 527
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

Quote:
Originally Posted by mitalidas
hmmm.
the career slam is enough to outweigh the discrepancy between 59 and 94 titles and put Agassi in front of Lendl, but laver's career slam(s) are not enough to put him ahead of Pete?

The debate has commenced.... comment?

True, I also think since she is obviously ordering them according to Grandslam, the nature of the slam shouldn't matter as long as you have more slam then another. If the slams are tied, then you consider other titles, if that too is the same, you can use their highest ranking and probably longevity at that position as a tiebreaker.
Blaze is offline  
post #8 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:41 PM
Registered User
 
MisterQ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 17,115
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

thanks, Sjengster. who made this list?

Last of the moon-and-volley specialists.

I believe in luck. How else can you explain the success of those you don't like? ---Jean Cocteau
MisterQ is offline  
post #9 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:42 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Sjengster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Somewhere fairly shingly
Age: 31
Posts: 11,359
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

"She"... I must be giving off the wrong vibe in my posts.

Don't roll your eyes at me mitalidas, there is an inevitable element of subjectivity in trying to create a list like this. IMO, 35 more titles (which is what Lendl has over Agassi) is not of greater values than 3 more Slams (which is what Sampras has over Laver).

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
Sjengster is offline  
post #10 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:44 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Sjengster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Somewhere fairly shingly
Age: 31
Posts: 11,359
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterQ
thanks, Sjengster. who made this list?
Who do you think, Q?

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
Sjengster is offline  
post #11 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:44 PM
Registered User
 
mitalidas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,048
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

far too much weight on slam titles (they're important yes, but when someone accumulates double the number of "other" titles, they can't be penalized this way).


4. Andre Agassi (#1, 8 Slams, 59 titles)
5. Ivan Lendl (#1, 8 Slams, 94 titles)
6. Jimmy Connors (#1, 8 Slams, 109 titles)

i say these 3 tie, at best
mitalidas is offline  
post #12 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:45 PM
Registered User
 
MisterQ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 17,115
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjengster
Who do you think, Q?
The "she" had me confused...

Last of the moon-and-volley specialists.

I believe in luck. How else can you explain the success of those you don't like? ---Jean Cocteau
MisterQ is offline  
post #13 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:51 PM
Registered User
 
MisterQ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 17,115
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

I think sorting out the order between Agassi, Lendl, Connors and McEnroe is VERY difficult. Each one has some some strong arguments for and against him.

Last of the moon-and-volley specialists.

I believe in luck. How else can you explain the success of those you don't like? ---Jean Cocteau
MisterQ is offline  
post #14 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:52 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Sjengster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Somewhere fairly shingly
Age: 31
Posts: 11,359
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

Quote:
Originally Posted by mitalidas
far too much weight on slam titles (they're important yes, but when someone accumulates double the number of "other" titles, they can't be penalized this way).


4. Andre Agassi (#1, 8 Slams, 59 titles)
5. Ivan Lendl (#1, 8 Slams, 94 titles)
6. Jimmy Connors (#1, 8 Slams, 109 titles)

i say these 3 tie, at best
I tried to take into account both quality AND quantity in this list, the number of titles won isn't everything. Anyway, I don't mind people criticising my order, but at least no-one will be able to accuse me of favouring players I like over those I don't.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
Sjengster is offline  
post #15 of 105 (permalink) Old 11-27-2004, 10:55 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Sjengster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Somewhere fairly shingly
Age: 31
Posts: 11,359
                     
Re: The Top 50 Players of the Open Era

One thing about Connors' amazing number of titles is that he won a lot of events set up on a separate tour to the ATP, I think run by his promoter - I'm not sure of the details, but not all of them are ATP events. The player with the biggest number of tour titles is Lendl.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
Sjengster is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the MensTennisForums.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome