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Federer and Break Points

I've been watching Fed since, the beginning, practically. But, it's still amazes me how a player of such caliber has probably one of the worse BPs conversion rates. I never could understand this. Is it because he's just a nervous person at heart? Or is it all about concentration? Doesn't it just baffles you? Especially when he dumps a weak 2nd serves to the net on BPs. I mean, you got to think "What the hell is he doing?".

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He will sort it our in time for the big ones, he always does. His poor conversion rate usually has an affect only in NID matches.


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He will sort it our in time for the big ones, he always does. His poor conversion rate usually has an affect only in NID matches.
I don't think so. He does this in big matches, too.

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Re: Federer and Break Points

His BP conversion rate is not at all bad. Look here:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings...spx?y=2012&s=0

Behind Nadal (7% lower) and Djokovic (4% lower), but noone else is significantly better.

He does have low % in several big matches, though, that's true. But so does basically everyone.
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Fed goes out there and plays good tennis. If he loses 4 games in a row after being up 4-0, it isn't because he got nervous, but because his opponent red-lined and Fed just kept chugging away. I'd say it's this lack of over-playing that causes the bad break-point conversation.
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His BP conversion rate is not at all bad. Look here:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings...spx?y=2012&s=0

Behind Nadal (7% lower) and Djokovic (4% lower), but noone else is significantly better.

He does have low % in several big matches, though, that's true. But so does basically everyone.
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His BP conversion rate is not at all bad. Look here:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings...spx?y=2012&s=0

Behind Nadal (7% lower) and Djokovic (4% lower), but noone else is significantly better.

He does have low % in several big matches, though, that's true. But so does basically everyone.
Many of those players are just bad returners. But, Fed is a very good 1st serve retuner. Maybe that's it. Maybe because he's so bad at returning 2nd serves, he just can't convert those BPs.

I don't know.
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Litotes, has Federer passed Sampras in tiebreaks won?

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Fed goes out there and plays good tennis. If he loses 4 games in a row after being up 4-0, it isn't because he got nervous, but because his opponent red-lined and Fed just kept chugging away. I'd say it's this lack of over-playing that causes the bad break-point conversation.
Hitting a weak 2nd serve is hardly red-lining anything.

But, maybe you're on to something about the lack of over-playing. Maybe Fed just wants to play it safe so it gives the opponent an opening to be the aggressor.
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Federer's BP conversion stat is ok. Not as good as Djokovic or Nadal.

Heres how I see it. Every player is effected by nerves. But I think players who are defensive/retrievers are not as effected by this. A defensive player can "shut off" his brain when he has a BP opportunity, and just concentrate on returning the ball. Concentrate on that single action.

A player like Federer attempts to construct the point well. He cant just concentrate on defending and putting the ball back in. He has to think more, he cant "shut off" his brain, so he will be effected more by nerves.
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Federer's BP conversion stat is ok. Not as good as Djokovic or Nadal.

Heres how I see it. Every player is effected by nerves. But I think players who are defensive/retrievers are not as effected by this. A defensive player can "shut off" his brain when he has a BP opportunity, and just concentrate on returning the ball. Concentrate on that single action.

A player like Federer attempts to construct the point well. He cant just concentrate on defending and putting the ball back in. He has to think more, he cant "shut off" his brain, so he will be effected more by nerves.
I agree save that it's not only defensive players who can "shut off" their brains. Eg Sampras was a very attacking player but he had a very simple "one strike" playstyle which didn't involve a lot of thinking. And he was super clutch at key moments.

With Fed a lot more thinking goes into his game/ point construction, which can be affected by nerves more easily.
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