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Re: Federer and Break Points

remember when Nadal went 2-23 BP v Garcia-Lopez
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Appropriate. A god when it comes to missed opportunities.
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This match brought back painful memories of French Open 07 final defeat. At least that was against peak Nadal on clay. This was against a poor Djokovic who was struggling to find his 1st serve and was there was the taking. I'm so disappointed in Roger for the very first time ever.
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he is just mentally weak on bp, he has always been like that in a lot of his matches

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Lack of confidence. He spreads errors all over the court on break points.
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Federer's past 5 years defined by his inability to win BPs

His conversion rate has always been bad, but especially in the past 5 years with one major to show for it.

Tonight was an epitome of that. 4/23 BPs won.


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He needs a sports psychologist
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That missed sitter on SP at the end of the 2nd. Forehand in the open court and he sends it a mile out....that sums up this whole match. I didn't watch RG 2007 but this is what it must have felt.

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Re: Federer and Break Points

The thing about BP conversion and BP save-ness is that people only look at them when their favourite player loses.

In Federer's case, I computed his BP opportunities in all of his career ATP and GS matches and the results are striking:

When he wins:
BP conversion 43%
BP saved 72%

When he loses:
BP conversion 30%
BP saved 58%

If it gives any comfort, pretty much all of his stats (first and second serve points won %, first serve in %, etc.) are worse when he loses.

This is surely the case of all players but I kind of get the feeling Federer's stats are a bit more skewed than normal.
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Re: Federer and Break Points

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The thing about BP conversion and BP save-ness is that people only look at them when their favourite player loses.

In Federer's case, I computed his BP opportunities in all of his career ATP and GS matches and the results are striking:

When he wins:
BP conversion 43%
BP saved 72%

When he loses:
BP conversion 30%
BP saved 58%

If it is gives any comfort, pretty much all of his stats (first and second serve points won %, first serve in %, etc.) are worse when he loses.

This is surely the case of all players but I kind of get the feeling Federer's stats are a bit more skewed than normal.
I suppose the only way for Federer to lose is when he plays very poorly. :P

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Re: Federer and Break Points

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I suppose the only way for Federer to lose is when he plays very poorly. :P
Maybe it's tied to the type of tennis he plays. He's a player that goes all out, extremely agressive style. So usually when a player follows this strategy the outcome of the match tends to be more linked to his performance rather than the opponent's.

Specially on Fed's case, he's a guy who needs to be in control and dictate the rythm. Or quickly break the opponent's rythmand adjust it to his own, you can see how easily he can accelerate a ball exchange out of the blue. Peak Novak excelled at this as well. The problems appear when he can't dictate himself, then he performs poorly since he's not much of a defender.

Just look at the Nadal matchup, it was a nightmare for Fed. Once Rafa's defense and moonball spam declined on fast courts, boom 4-0 for the old man.
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