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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 11-22-2004, 12:08 AM Thread Starter
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Question Will "Invisible Man" Moya make MC next year?

As I said in another thread, I don't get Moya. He seems to get by with a pretty mediocre year and still somehow to comfortably make the Masters Cup. No one ever talks about him. He doesn't challenge any of the other players. At the US Open he said he didn't expect to win the tournament; and he doesn't even play the French like he expects to ever win again. He's going into his 7th year without a Slam, and when was the last time he made a Slam final?

I used to like Moya, too, but I don't like this "lack-of-intensity" Moya. If he doesn't do something soon, I can't imagine him to continue to float in the Top 8, with the youngsters coming up.

What do you think of Moya?

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Re: Will "Invisible Man" Moya make MC next year?

Its what i was thinking before hand, how does he manage to be ranked that high? what exactly has he achieved apart from a masters title and a few low level atp titles? It puzzles me how high he is ranked
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Well, despite his ankle injury that forced him to skip the Australian Open, Carlos had an awesome start into the year.

Very quickly two titles, another two finals to start the year. AWESOME!

TMS winner, several TMS Quarterfinals, TMS semifinal.

Grand Slam Quarterfinal, Grand Slam fourth round (yes, he showed up at Wimbledon and I enjoyed him playing there, very good performance of Carlos).

So he is one of the best and did well in most of the events that mattered, Grand Slam, TMSs and that's why he easily qualified

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Re: Will "Invisible Man" Moya make MC next year?

he is the king of the umag's and chennai's of this world.

he won rome too

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At the beginning of the year, I didn't think he would still be in the Top 10 let alone the Top 5 by the end of the season. He did. I don't think he will be up there next year. So let's see if I'm wrong again.

He hasn't been in the Final Four of a Major since the 1998 US Open.

He doesn't have the belief, it seems, to beat the top players or win the big events anymore. Look at his QF match against Coria at the French. He had numerous chances and actually served for the first two sets, but he crumbled on both occassions and had basically thrown in the towel early in the 3rd set. And you bring up a good point, TF, that he was the #3 seed at the US Open but admitted that he didn't believe he could win it. And just this week, he said that his two goals this year were merely to reach the TMC and win the Davis Cup. The latter is a team effort and doesn't say much about him as an individual player. And considering that he ended both '02 and '03 in the Top 5, you'd think he would set higher goals for himself than simply to be among the Top 8 in Houston. Where are the aspirations to win a Slam again and return to #1? Where is the confidence?

IMO, Moya has achieved as much as he "should" have.

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Re: Will "Invisible Man" Moya make MC next year?

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he said that his two goals this year were merely to reach the TMC and win the Davis Cup. The latter is a team effort and doesn't say much about him as an individual player.
The reason he wants to win DC is because he missed out on playing when Spain won DC in 2000 because of his back injury.

In any case, I still believe he is a great player, and a player I enjoy watching. I do believe he could have done better than he has. If he wants to be at the TMC next year. I am sure he will be there.


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Re: Will "Invisible Man" Moya make MC next year?

And during TMC he's the only player who took a set from BOTH finalists!
Funny, ha?

I love to watch Carlos play!

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Federer doesn't count, obviously. lol

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Re: Will "Invisible Man" Moya make MC next year?

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The reason he wants to win DC is because he missed out on playing when Spain won DC in 2000 because of his back injury.

In any case, I still believe he is a great player, and a player I enjoy watching. I do believe he could have done better than he has. If he wants to be at the TMC next year. I am sure he will be there.
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And during TMC he's the only player who took a set from BOTH finalists!
Funny, ha?

I love to watch Carlos play
you are so right, Lady

that "invisible man" will kick roddick ass next month at Sevilla, take it for granted

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His backpedaling to avoid the backhand is the funniest thing on ATP tour

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Re: Will "Invisible Man" Moya make MC next year?

Well, he may be a little ambitious, but he is a great player that can challenge anyone in the world when is playing at his best, especially on clay courts

But just a little. His goals this year probably were RG and the Davis Cup that are two of the most important tournaments in the world (and for my the two most importants)
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well, Carlos was thinking about getting back to #1. But many players are better than him at the moment. Yeah, his confident level hasn't been great playing against Roger, Hewitt, Andy, Coria, Andre...His mental is the reason for losing tight matches. And he is getting old. So I don't expect him to do anything big either. But he is a TALENT! He's fun to watch when he plays relaxed. Yes, if he wants to, he will qualify for Shanghai next year because most of the time, he gets what he wants. I think it's totally realistic to say Carlos will stay consistently in the top 8.

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Re: Will "Invisible Man" Moya make MC next year?

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As I said in another thread, I don't get Moya. He seems to get by with a pretty mediocre year and still somehow to comfortably make the Masters Cup. No one ever talks about him. He doesn't challenge any of the other players. At the US Open he said he didn't expect to win the tournament; and he doesn't even play the French like he expects to ever win again. He's going into his 7th year without a Slam, and when was the last time he made a Slam final?

I used to like Moya, too, but I don't like this "lack-of-intensity" Moya. If he doesn't do something soon, I can't imagine him to continue to float in the Top 8, with the youngsters coming up.

What do you think of Moya?
I see we have plenty of time to vote on this poll , and yes, I believe he will. He's made it 4 straight years, hasn't he? That's pretty consistant.

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Re: Will "Invisible Man" Moya make MC next year?

Carlos will be there again, as he will do enough to qualify as long as he is not injured.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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Re: Will "Invisible Man" Moya make MC next year?

For a player that has had more than his share of injuries, Moya has done very well in his career..and this year. He was probably the most in-form player going into the Australian, which was a complete shame when he had to miss it. He won the Rome Masters after coming back from injury, he was struggling with injury after the US Open, during Davis Cup, and most of the end of the year. I remember hearing that Moya has one of the best quarterfinal success rates on the tour, being pretty consistent.

Considering all that, hasn't he accomplished just as much in Umag as Lleyton Hewitt during the Olympics? He had streaky moments, just like Andre Agassi in the summer. He did better on grass than all the Americans on clay, pretty good for a "clay court specialist." I'd hardly say that he choked more than Guillermo Coria in the finals of Roland Garros.

He's 28 and should be in the twilight of his career. Instead, he's winning Rome, reaching big finals, taking sets off Roger Federer and Lleyton Hewitt, doing well at Wimbledon, and going to the Davis Cup final. I'd hardly doubt the results of a Grand Slam champion, former world number one, and a player that has been unfortunately been too injured to be consistent enough to always satisfy his potential. Moya's always flown under the radar.

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