So one player (who never got anywhere close to the top) says players are doping.
Many other players ROUTINELY say there isn't any doping that they know of and somehow the one guy has more weight than the many who say there isn't any.
I would love to see Soderling run into Rochus sometime soon.
This is a textbook example of how the conspiratorial mindset disregards any evidence or testimony which doesn't agree with its premises and how it elevates what testimony it can find to the status of bold truth.
It's exactly the opposite. Believe me, there are tons of testimonies that tell about doping. It's the people who refuse to accept the reality of widespread doping who are refusing to see the evidence. Not the other way around.
Why would the players admit to there being widespread doping, if they are themselves part of the system and benefit the most from it?
whereas Lance Armstrong is a textbook example of how the conspiratorial mindset can uncover a lot of hidden dirt.
Exactly. For years some people were denouncing him and were denounced as having a "conspirational mindset". I was convinced very early on that Armstrong was doping and Armstrong fans called people like me jealous and crazy and so on.
Now they all look very silly, don't they.
I don't know if that was my own "conspirational mindset", but everything I had guessed turned out to be true (or even worse than I had imagined).
Except almost every cyclist said Armstrong and almost every other cyclist was doping and we had to hear something about it every major event until eventually actual evidence was gathered. In tennis you have only a few tennis players, none of them any good, and we rarely hear about it. I think Serena Williams' panic room farce was the last time doping was bought up seriously and by people who weren't terrible.
Nope. At the beginning, doping in cycling was only denounced by a few people. They were instantly denounced as "bitter", or "jealous", and their theories were dismissed.
It took a long time to get to the point where the idea of Armstrong being a doper was obvious to many, and denounced by several cyclists. Even then, many of them defended him or were afraid to talk against him.
If you kept paying off corrupt doctors you set yourself up to be blackmailed for even more money and eventually the truth would leak out anyway. You'd have to pay big money and even then they could leak the information some years into the future.
What would you do then as a player? Kill them? This is the real world not a fantasy movie.
Don't laugh. Have you seen the latest news about Armstrong? Several people (including Tyler Hamilton) say they received death threats from him or his entourage.
Even without killing people, you can do them harm. People like Armstrong are hugely influential, they can turn your life into hell, and if you're a professional cyclist, make sure that you will never have a career. It IS truly a mafia out there.
Everyone is blames everyone of doping without naming names, how much of this is really true and how much is due to jealousy of the other player?
i cant believe any of the top players is doping just cant.
Well, then you're in for a big disappointment someday.
I had the same attitude back in 1998, when the Festina affair broke out. I also thought that doping was marginal and that only people with no moral sense whatsoever, in other words, only the most despicable kind of people, would use doping. So obviously, none of my favourites could have been dopers, that was unimaginable.
I got angry whenever someone claimed that most cyclists were doper, how dared they say such things?, etc.
I have come a long, long way since.