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BLUE GROUP: Still hot or now blowing cold?

I like that pun!

Yeah - Roddick and Safin win their matches in straight sets, but is that group decided in terms of the two winners?

My take on the situation is that Roddick HAS TO BEAT Safin to keep the group alive for Henman. If he does that then we could be into a high-quality, high-drama cat-fight between Brit and Russian for the semi-final berth, on the final day, and final session of the RR matches - what a prospect, and lets face it - the crowd and fans alike would love to see that!

However, if Roddick LOSES to Safin then I think Henman's hopes are dashed EVEN IF he wins against Coria and Safin. If this happens then Roddick, Henman and Safin are tied on 2 wins each and it will go down to head-to-head wins, which would still mean it is tied. If would then go down to % of sets won and this would almost cetainly guarantee Roddick his place in the semis, but it would still be close between Henman and Safin - slightly more chance Safin will edge it statistically.

Obviously Coria could get through but I doubt he'll beat Roddick. Tim SHOULD beat Coria - he will get a look-in on virtually every serve!

Anyway, this is my take on the blue group - it could get VERY VERY interesting, particularly if it goes down to Henman-Safin for the semis - these 2 are tied on 2 wins apiece head-to-head, with Henman winning his last match in Indian Wells in 2002. Those of us who are supersticious will note that the last time Henman beat Roddick was in Indian Wells this year and, as he did in 2002, he went on to reach the final. Roddick has just put an end to that run. Safin...............don't you even think about doing that!!!!!
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Re: BLUE GROUP: Still hot or now blowing cold?

I'm already getting worried about the Coria match, not only is this the one Henman's expected to win but it's the one he has to win to stay in the tournament. I still think he has good chances against Safin if it came down to the wire, and I have a hunch Roddick is going to beat Safin again now that they're back on the former's home territory. But Henman won't get the chance unless he takes care of Coria, who must think playing Henman is his best and only chance to win a match in the group.

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Re: BLUE GROUP: Still hot or now blowing cold?

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I'm already getting worried about the Coria match, not only is this the one Henman's expected to win but it's the one he has to win to stay in the tournament. I still think he has good chances against Safin if it came down to the wire, and I have a hunch Roddick is going to beat Safin again now that they're back on the former's home territory. But Henman won't get the chance unless he takes care of Coria, who must think playing Henman is his best and only chance to win a match in the group.
I am inclined to agree with you Sjengster - but I think Tim should be able to take care of Coria on a hard court. According to a friend of mine who saw the match yesterday, Coria's serve was little more than 80mph and Henman will be able to attack that without too many problems.

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Re: BLUE GROUP: Still hot or now blowing cold?

I think Roddick v Safin will be the usual close tiebreak affair, may as well flip a coin.
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It all goe down to the fact that Tim really needed a set off Roddick - but kudos to him, he lost the match getting almost the maximum games possible for doing so so that is better than being beaten 6/4 6/4 or something.

I'll be somewhat disappointed if Tim doesn't beat Coria. At his best Coria has only just edged Tim out and considering, as Rosie said, he is serving at 80mph, Tim ought to hip and charge almost all the time and Coria should lack the strength in his shoulders to rip passing shots all the time. Tim needs to win that match, preferably in straight stes to boost his chances....but a win is a win so I wouldn't complain if it were in 3.

Come on Tiger - rip him up!!!
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Re: BLUE GROUP: Still hot or now blowing cold?

if 3 players are level, then it cant go down to a head2head
cos all players level on 1 win each.

then it goes down to sets w/l
and if one is better or worse than the others that person is either in semis (if best) or eliminated (if worst)
then the two remaining players with same sets w/l would be settled by H2H

if all 3 are level on sets w/l
then it goes down to games.
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Who Plays next?
I assume it is Roddick v Safin on Thurs night

That means Henman will be 1 and 1 after beating Coria
with Safin to Play
Yeah it is I think - I hope!

It is crucial that those matches are next.
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Re: BLUE GROUP: Still hot or now blowing cold?

safin and roddick will qualify.........
coria is obviously not in shape and henman lacks the ability to beat safin. it should be
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yes those are the next matches

ATP rules now state
the two winners from day 1 play each other next, with the two losers playing each other.
thats to avoid the two winners from winning again, then having 2 pointless dead matches on day 3.
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hmm i like that format better though it was different in wta.
davenport bt demetieva and serena bt myskina and nastya then played lindsay
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It all goe down to the fact that Tim really needed a set off Roddick - but kudos to him, he lost the match getting almost the maximum games possible for doing so so that is better than being beaten 6/4 6/4 or something.

I'll be somewhat disappointed if Tim doesn't beat Coria. At his best Coria has only just edged Tim out and considering, as Rosie said, he is serving at 80mph, Tim ought to hip and charge almost all the time and Coria should lack the strength in his shoulders to rip passing shots all the time. Tim needs to win that match, preferably in straight stes to boost his chances....but a win is a win so I wouldn't complain if it were in 3.

Come on Tiger - rip him up!!!
Well like I said Jez - I'm not in Houston myself - but my friend is there and I trust her implicitly. She was with me when we saw him in Madrid and she told me today that he was "as bad as Madrid - if not worse!!" And in Madrid
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Re: BLUE GROUP: Still hot or now blowing cold?

I'm just glad to hear that Henman is enjoying it despite losing....He's not out yet coriafan and Safin isn't too strong for anyone in the draw except Coria. Nothing can be taken for granted and if there is a Henman-Safin crucial match, I feel Safin will be more nervous because he'll EXPECT to get to the semis or further.
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jez u wrote: I'm just glad to hear that Henman is enjoying it despite losing....He's not out yet coriafan and Safin isn't too strong for anyone in the draw except Coria.


do you mean for anyone in the group or in the whole tournament?
can you imagine safin losing to gaudio?
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It's certainly not over. Henman didn't play poorly against Roddick, and is capable of beating Safin.

Unless Coria withdraws before his next match and is replaced by Canas, in which case
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It's certainly not over. Henman didn't play poorly against Roddick, and is capable of beating Safin.

Unless Coria withdraws before his next match and is replaced by Canas, in which case
I'm bailing if that happens...probably very shortly followed by Henman! I'm of both Canas and his tennis!
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