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Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

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no but the situation is similar as for population and they have a similar number of challengers as South Korea and Canada :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._GDP_%28PPP%29
All that says to me is that Canada and South Korea don't have enough.

If Italy can have 17 or whatever stupid number it is, then the Australians can do a hell of a lot better.


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i was writing about it a long time ago in the challenger section on mtf

but yeah, looks like a vicious circle, tournaments would like to have better names, better names won't play mug tournaments, tv rarely shows anything

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It's bad for tennis players and also bad for those of us here that play TT

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i was writing about it a long time ago in the challenger section on mtf
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btw, as challenger calendar for 2012 is out for jan and feb

kazan, wolfsburg, florianopolis meknes and casablanca are cancelled... (at least comparing to last year)

in exchange dornbirn (austria) will be the biggest tournament of the first 2 months €106,500+H

while we're at prize money, challenger prizes not only don't grow, but usually go down! also, more players will have to be in futures in those weeks...
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as for update, seems like other challengers fall out of the schedule really alarming

Not sure what I mentioned last time, but the calendar is up to March now, and these events are not scheduled (and were in 2012):

*Kazan
*Florianopolis
*Casablanca
*Santiago
*Guadalajara
*Pingguo
*Rabat
*Bath
*Barranquila

The only new event is this Austrian one

At least Sao Paulo money goes up from 35K to 125K!!! And Michael Russell is the top commitment so far.
From Nathii's list, yes, there are more southAmerican tournaments to disappear (also Moroccan) but it's also the period when there are most southAmerican challengers together with the end of the year, the rest of the year will be more in Europe and the USA, we'll see the situation there.

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Indeed bad news for tennis. These tournaments should be supported financialy because here is where the young players are being formed and they should be promoted as they represent the future of tennis

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Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

Never in doubt the ATP doesn't give a shit about the game.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1

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Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

There are 2 CH and 10 Furtures 15K tournaments in Australia in the first 3 months of the year.

How many players do you think have the level to play those 12 tournaments in Australia and nearby Asia?

Most players from this level (mid way from futures to Challengers) would start their year in Europe and they could spend their whole season between Turkey and France playing as much as they couldn't handle.

How many players in the World are eligible to play Challengers? 300? Less. So how many Challengers should there be?

On the contrary you have approximately 2000 players for Futures level and it's normal the big number of tournaments to be there.

I would personally cancel the Challenger tour, make the few big ones into ATP 250s and name all the rest Futures in different categories.

This way we will have just one naive tread spitting on ATP how they burried tennis and they should go to jail coz they canceled CH, which means for sure tennis is dead and bla, and bla, and bla, and tennis will continue to develop.

The other way around - the ATP and ITF should clarify a bit how things get done, for people who think they have just invented the hot water, to have some ready answers.
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latso, the ATP plant is at it again. Doesn't actually understand that even the current top players played Challengers early in their careers.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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And the future ones are doing the same.

The mentioned players in the article Diego Schwartzman played the whole year in South America only and he will do the same this year.

If he's good enough he will make it to the GS qualies and make more money he has ever made.

Then he might decide to spend some of these on tickets and try his luck in Europe, where if he performs well - he will step in ATP where together with professional level tennis comes the real pay days.

That's what everyone does. The good ones we watch on TV, the not good enough ones we shed a tear for and swear on the ATP.

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That's not what I actually said. I like challengers. I wish there were more of them, but if the calendar is to decrease, then prize money has to increase. To be honest prize money needs to increase across the board.

I will look at that other thread later on when I have time.
that's unrealistic. rather they keep as many challengers as they can without implementing largely silly financial requirements at 50k so that lower ranked players will still have opportunities to fight and gain points to get entry into regular ATP events. it's bad enough if plenty of Challengers have very little prize money, but it's even worse if you mandate them to such a degree that there are hardly any Challengers LEFT. certainly I agree that it would be great if magically there was more money appropriated from places towards Challenger events, but we don't live in a magical beautiful world, so the best decision would not be to force requirements on the events and essentially cut off a large portion of them, but rather be relatively calm about it for the time being. if you kill the infrastructure for lower ranked players to move up then you will damage the whole structure of the sport

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I think an Ion Tiriac would work wonders for the challenger tour.

Let a guy like him implement blue clay, psychedelic balls, ball girls from Hooters, etc... and watch the sponsors and attention from the mainstream skyrocket!
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Will make poor players even poorer. After a while they will all play dressed like Kenny McCormick in a protest to ATP

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Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

That is something really to worry about. Most of the players ranked between 150/170 and 300 will be forced to play quallies of ATP tournaments with the risk that involves if they don't manage to make it to the main draw while the other ones to fall one step to play Future events which will short the entry list cut off of that level of tournaments (just check the entry lists of Future January events and that is what is going to happen in February and March too). This is something really serious for the economy and rankings of many players .

And as well as people mentioned here and we spoke about that in the past the ATP is doing NOTHING to improve the Challenger tour but things are getting worse and worse with the bottom of the piramid.

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i hope in spain we have the same amount of challengers than last year, which seems unlikely to be honest =(((

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