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Re: If Djokovic stays the No. 1 until October, he will overtake Nadal...

Yeah, he is damn close to Nadal, he just needs as much weeks as he has been at number 1.
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Then if he stays there until October 2017 he'll be ahead of Federer. He's only a bit over half to Nadal so let's not get too excited.


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I did not say that Sampras makes accurate predictions about future tennis events.
Saying "Djokovic will win at least 10 slams" is a prediction about a future tennis event.

If Sampras does not make accurate predictions about future tennis events, then there is no reason to believe what he says is correct here. (Excluding any existing reasons for believing this, of course).
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I did not say that Sampras makes accurate predictions about future tennis events.



Not true. For example, my argument that Sampras is a tennis expert was based on fact that he was an top professional tennis player. I ask you again:

Can you provide fact-based argument to support your claim that I blindly follow Sampras?
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Yeah, he is damn close to Nadal, he just needs as much weeks as he has been at number 1.
Huh? Guess you didn't pass 1st grade math...he will be at 65 weeks at the end of AO, 37 weeks behind Nadal.
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Re: If Djokovic stays the No. 1 until October, he will overtake Nadal...

Litotes, you lost the argument.


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Saying "Djokovic will win at least 10 slams" is a prediction about a future tennis event.

If Sampras does not make accurate predictions about future tennis events, then there is no reason to believe what he says is correct here. (Excluding any existing reasons for believing this, of course).
The comparison here is between Sampras and the anonymous poster (Roy Emerson). I know that Sampras is at least some kind of tennis expert while I do not know who is "Roy Emerson". Therefore, there is the reason to have more trust in Sampras than the anonymous poster.
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Litotes, you lost the argument.
Certainly not. I lost interest. If you consider the two the same, then that explains your stubbornness. The last word always wins, no matter how pointless? Fine, make any sort of reply and declare yourself winner once more, if it makes you happier.
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Litotes, you lost the argument.




The comparison here is between Sampras and the anonymous poster (Roy Emerson). I know that Sampras is at least some kind of tennis expert while I do not know who is "Roy Emerson". Therefore, there is the reason to have more trust in Sampras than the anonymous poster.
No, the comparison is between believing a prediction to be 'true' or 'very likely' and reserving judgement. Sampras may have more tennis knowledge than "Roy Emerson", and if forced to choose between them, it may be rational to believe Sampras.

But the point is you are not forced to choose between them. If Sampras has not established that he can make accurate tennis predictions, then the most rational thing to do would be to not believe him either. You simply hold up your hands in the air and say "I don't know".
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Re: If Djokovic stays the No. 1 until October, he will overtake Nadal...

I'm not fan of jokovic

But, I hope so.

Nadal "Sampras, Ivanisevic match. or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable. It's not really tennis. it is a few swings of the racquet. For me in the past it was just serve. serve". arrogance.

clay excluded. successive win 0.  If grass and a hard are fast. Like Sampras era. Nadal is able to win only with clay. power of defense and muscles. boring ugly. All the surface is slow now.

fake time-out. cheat. gamesmanship. too noisy annoying always. excuse. boycotts threatened. always dissatisfaction cry complaints. dissatisfaction to schedule. selfish two-year ranking. bump to player. ugly protest. always exaggerated appeal of self condition. etc. overrated by fanatic arrogant blind fan
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Certainly not. I lost interest. If you consider the two the same, then that explains your stubbornness. The last word always wins, no matter how pointless? Fine, make any sort of reply and declare yourself winner once more, if it makes you happier.
You lost the argument because you failed to show that I blindly follow Sampras.

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No, the comparison is between believing a prediction to be 'true' or 'very likely' and reserving judgement. Sampras may have more tennis knowledge than "Roy Emerson", and if forced to choose between them, it may be rational to believe Sampras.

But the point is you are not forced to choose between them. If Sampras has not established that he can make accurate tennis predictions, then the most rational thing to do would be to not believe him either. You simply hold up your hands in the air and say "I don't know".
On 01-14-2013 you stated this:

"If Sampras does not make accurate predictions about future tennis events, then there is no reason to believe what he says is correct here."

Clearly, you were referring to my claim that I believe Sampras. In my previous post I explained what I meant when I said that I believe Sampras.
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Djokovic will obviously overtake Borg and Nadal when it comes to weeks as #1. Can Djokovic overtake JMac? Harder to predict. The question is if he can win more than 11 slams and overtake Borg and Nadal in slam count.

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Djokovic will obviously overtake Borg and Nadal when it comes to weeks as #1. Can Djokovic overtake JMac? Harder to predict. The question is if he can win more than 11 slams and overtake Borg and Nadal in slam count.
it's hard to say anything about 11 slams, or whatever number of majors he will win... we can just guess

I guess he'll stay #1 for a long time, really not sure who can overtake that #1 (Fed is not playing Miami, Murray is too far behind, Nadal is a puzzle with his injuries plus he doesn't seem to care about HC any more) but it's not given ... just too many things involved when we talk about rankings. traditionally, Novak's been very good at IW and Miami. yeah, his chances are good to stay at #1 till October but we'll see ...
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it's hard to say anything about 11 slams, or whatever number of majors he will win... we can just guess

I guess he'll stay #1 for a long time, really not sure who can overtake that #1 (Fed is not playing Miami, Murray is too far behind, Nadal is a puzzle with his injuries plus he doesn't seem to care about HC any more) but it's not given ... just too many things involved when we talk about rankings. traditionally, Novak's been very good at IW and Miami. yeah, his chances are good to stay at #1 till October but we'll see ...
As a fan of his, getting into triple digits at weeks at No.1 is fantastic, something I definitely couldn't fathom a few years back. As for Slams, I think he gets one more this year for 7, and even if he averages 1 per year for the following 3 years he can still get to 10, which is realistic and again would be spectacular for him. But you're right these kinds of things are very difficult to predict. So many variables.
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On 01-14-2013 you stated this:

"If Sampras does not make accurate predictions about future tennis events, then there is no reason to believe what he says is correct here."

Clearly, you were referring to my claim that I believe Sampras. In my previous post I explained what I meant when I said that I believe Sampras.
You didn't explain that at all. You said you have more reason to believe Sampras than to believe Roy Emerson. My point is that that in itself does not constitute a belief that what Sampras says is correct, nor does it justify such a conclusion.

Say I make a prediction that the world will end in 50 years. "That's a crazy prediction", you say. So I point to someone in a lunatic asylum who says that the world will not end in 50 years, and I respond "Don't you have more reason to believe me than him?" The truth is that you have reason to believe neither of us, because neither of us have presented any credible evidence.

The same goes for Sampras. You should believe in his prediction that Djokovic will reach a double digit slam count, if you also believe in his credentials as a predictor. Adding Roy Emerson into the mix changes nothing.

A belief that Sampras is a better predictor than Roy Emersen is not a belief that what Sampras says is correct. The two things are separate. If your argument is just the former claim, then it is essentially meaningless, because nothing follows from it. It is like saying that you have more reason to believe my prediction than the guy in the lunatic asylum's.

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I'm not convinced Djoker can stay № 1 till October - he's not that good of a number one.

He's more of a computer number one type: consistent, but not dominant front runner type who amasses far more point relative to the one ranked below him.

However I do believe some time in 2014 (or later) he will catch up with Nadal.
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