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Have you guys noticed that Nole, lately, is using one hand BH more and more often? It's usually when his on the stretch, but also in regular rallies. I didn't want to open a new thread and this place seems like a good one to talk about it as everyone is bored
You should open a new thread for this, so we can disect further how this OHBH has improved his horrendous slice in my opinion.
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It's not beating Federer that is impressive.
It's beating the top 3 players in 1 tourney
and beating them in all Slams (with no injured players).
Fed never did these things.

Federer is mediocre in 5 setters.
Djoker is outstanding in 5 setters and finals vs. multiple
champions who've won Masters Series & at least a Slam.
In the last 4 years, many top 10 opponents are better because they've beaten the
Slam champs.
Is this clown for real?
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No it is not.
Yes, it is.

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My ex was a professional hooker for a long time but she weren't no expert on human biology. She even gave a crap blow job.
What a stupid comparison. Can you explain why is it comparable with Sampras being expert on tennis because he was a top professional player for a long time?

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Point is, you can be good at doing something without being good at talking about it. You can "know" how to do something as in being able to do it, without being able to explain how you do it, or knowing anything about anybody else who can do it.
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Not necessarily. Maradona was the best football player ever and he was a disaster as a coach and anything he says about the sport is bullshit 90% of the time.
If you are not good at talking about tennis it does not mean that you are not very knowledgeable about tennis.

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Your opinion is irrelevant because you are not a tennis expert. Sampras said Djokovic will probably reach double digits at the slams http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...nis/57339052/1
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If you are not good at talking about tennis it does not mean that you are not very knowledgeable about tennis.
Yes, but your original point (see above) was that we should respect what people like Sampras SAY ("Sampras said...") over and above what posters like Roy Emerson say. That's talking about tennis, right?

So are you SAYING that maybe Sampras isn't that good "at talking about tennis"?

Either way, I'm confused. Might be because your argument is shit. I dunno.
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Yes, but your original point (see above) was that we should respect what people like Sampras SAY ("Sampras said...") over and above what posters like Roy Emerson say. That's talking about tennis, right?

So are you SAYING that maybe Sampras isn't that good "at talking about tennis"?
We know that Sampras is very knowledgeable about tennis beacause he was an top professional player for a long time. What do we know about the poster Roy Emerson?

I'm very interested what is going to be your answer...
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If you are not good at talking about tennis it does not mean that you are not very knowledgeable about tennis.
True. But the argument here is physically knowing 'how' to do something and an having an understanding of how what you're doing works are two different things. I can tie my shoe laces very fast, and have been doing this nearly my whole life. Do I have any knowledge about shoelace tieing? No. If someone asked me how best to tie their shoelaces I would have no idea what to say to them.

Sampras is an 'expert' at playing tennis. That doesn't mean he knows anything about tennis history or understanding statistical trends, or dealing with a myriad of unknown variables. It doesn't even mean he follows tennis currently! If I wanted an expert on those things I would probably ask a professional gambler, who makes a living making predictions, not hitting the ball over the other side of the net.
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True. But the argument here is physically knowing 'how' to do something and an having an understanding of how what you're doing works are two different things. I can tie my shoe laces very fast, and have been doing this nearly my whole life. Do I have any knowledge about shoelace tieing? No. If someone asked me how best to tie their shoelaces I would have no idea what to say to them.

Sampras is an 'expert' at playing tennis. That doesn't mean he knows anything about tennis history or understanding statistical trends, or dealing with a myriad of unknown variables. It doesn't even mean he follows tennis currently! If I wanted an expert on those things I would probably ask a professional gambler, who makes a living making predictions, not hitting the ball over the other side of the net.
That would be a rather interesting addition to an otherwise stale debate, if someone could inform us what odds bookies now give to those who want to bet for 10 or more slams for Djokovic.
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The fact that Agassi & McEnroe declared Federer the best ever just proved that these former players will never be experts.
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Oh No! You just woke up from another Federrah-filled nightmares again??? Why give no respite this granma huh?
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The fact that Agassi & McEnroe declared Federer the best ever just proved that these former players will never be experts.
I agree
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Have you guys noticed that Nole, lately, is using one hand BH more and more often? It's usually when his on the stretch, but also in regular rallies. I didn't want to open a new thread and this place seems like a good one to talk about it as everyone is bored
Like this one? (11:05)
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yes, that's a good one. there are many more, it's just so hard to dig them. my memory is not that great, I need to remember the match, and then find it on you tube etc. but thanks.
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True. But the argument here is physically knowing 'how' to do something and an having an understanding of how what you're doing works are two different things. I can tie my shoe laces very fast, and have been doing this nearly my whole life. Do I have any knowledge about shoelace tieing? No. If someone asked me how best to tie their shoelaces I would have no idea what to say to them.

Sampras is an 'expert' at playing tennis. That doesn't mean he knows anything about tennis history or understanding statistical trends, or dealing with a myriad of unknown variables.
"knowledge
noun
[mass noun]1facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject:
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http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...lish/knowledge

Pete Sampras has high level practical understanding of tennis. Tennis expert is a person who is very knowledgeable about tennis. Therefore, Sampras is an tennis expert.

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It doesn't even mean he follows tennis currently!
He follows tennis currently http://www.tennischannel.com/news/Ne...x?newsid=11764

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If I wanted an expert on those things I would probably ask a professional gambler, who makes a living making predictions, not hitting the ball over the other side of the net.
But, my point is that every reasonable person will rather believe Sampras than anonymous posters on MTF.

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"knowledge
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[mass noun]1facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject:
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http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...lish/knowledge

Pete Sampras has high level practical understanding of tennis. Tennis expert is a person who is very knowledgeable about tennis. Therefore, Sampras is an tennis expert.
Let me do one.

Pete Sampras has high level practical understanding of tennis. An expert tennis historian/statistician is a person with an extremely detailed knowledge of past tennis matches, who has a proven track record in understanding trends and making accurate predictions of future outcomes. From the fact that Pete Sampras has a high level practical understanding of tennis it does not follow that he is an expert tennis historian/statistician.

Do you disagree with anything in the above reasoning?

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But, my point is that every reasonable person will rather believe Sampras than anonymous posters on MTF.
Every reasonable person has to decide for themselves what is true or not. Even if you choose to defer to an expert, you're the one that decides what qualifies someone to be an expert, and of course different 'experts' disagree.

Ultimately all experts have is arguments based on facts and data. You should believe someone because their argument is sound, not because they have some magical mantle on their head. In that regard, people on MTF can make sound arguments too, and saying "but you're not an expert" does nothing to invalidate those arguments. Knowledge is a tool that can be used by everyone, not just those sitting atop some high tower throwing down scraps of wisdom to the peasants below.
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Re: If Djokovic stays the No. 1 until October, he will overtake Nadal...

Nole has now officially surpassed Jim Courier. Now entering the 59th week as number 1 in his career.
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