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ah, as much as I love Fed's game, that's one thing I can't forgive Fed. He was so arrogant towards a young Nole, putting him down saying all kind of things when Nole was a young nobody ... My strong believe is that experienced players should show understanding and support to the young ones. Novak has never said anything negative about Fed, yet Fed felt like a God and BS so much. sorry guys.

oh well, it doesn't really matter any more. Fed is much more humble nowadays ... but, but, but
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but Novak never said anything negative about Fed. NEVER. Nole was always respectful to Fed.
Before their AO 2007 match Novak said in his previous post match interview after asked about his upcoming match: "I have only 4 words for him: You are going down"...
Now imagine the furor if Fed said anything remotely close to that.

Novak also ridiculed lot of players (fed included) in his imitations, shamelessly

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Sure, good story.
Let me imagine. Djoker seriously did this, the way Federer and Roddick embarrassed themselves repeatedly in public.
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cause dull played so pathetic in that final, he doesn't even had the opportunity to choke. and of course djoker doesn't had to deal twice with a "mug" in a wimby-final if he only reached it once...
Bottom line is the less slam finals Nadal reaches off clay the less chances Djokovic wins slams as 2012 showed... Nadal getting injured is the worst thing than could happen to Djokovic. No Nadal to take out Federer and Murray at the slams and do the dirty job for Novak. If next year Nadal is only a factor on clay, it will be hard for Djokovic to win multiple slams, specially outside of the AO as 2012 proved.

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Bottom line is the less slam finals Nadal reaches off clay the less chances Djokovic wins slams as 2012 showed... Nadal getting injured is the worst thing than could happen to Djokovic. No Nadal to take out Federer and Murray at the slams and do the dirty job for Novak. If next year Nadal is only a factor on clay, it will be hard for Djokovic to win multiple slams, specially outside of the AO as 2012 proved.
you should really stop posting man...............I cant believe that you even learned to write to be honest
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you should really stop posting man...............I cant believe that you even learned to write to be honest
It's the truth. It's not a coincidence that Nadal was not there in the second half of the year to take out Murray and Federer at the slams and voila, Djokovic fails to win Wimbledon AND the USO. A healthy Nadal is a great asset for Novak.
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Before their AO 2007 match Novak said in his previous post match interview after asked about his upcoming match: "I have only 4 words for him: You are going down"...
Now imagine the furor if Fed said anything remotely close to that.
I suspect this was intended semi-humourously, no? Either way it's pretty funny.

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It's the truth. It's not a coincidence that Nadal was not there in the second half of the year to take out Murray and Federer at the slams and voila, Djokovic fails to win Wimbledon AND the USO. A healthy Nadal is a great asset for Novak.
Novak was never winning W and US Open was a fluke final who gives a fuck I'd still take him over Murray and Roger in every Slam bar W
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Borg is considered better than Lendl despite Lendl spending more weeks as #1. Why? Because Borg won more slams than Lendl.
Laver is considered greater player than Sampras despite Sampras having more slams. Why? Because apart from slams there are other criteria.

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Unfortunately slams are the #1 criteria taken under consideration. First slams and then weeks as #1.
Do you read my posts? I did not say that slams are not #1 criteria. I have been saying that apart from slams there are other factors which means that Djokovic does not have to reach Nadal's slam count in order to have better career.
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Laver is considered greater player than Sampras despite Sampras having more slams. Why? Because apart from slams there are other criteria.
Laver won more majors. 19. He also won TWO CYGS. Of course he is better than Sampras.



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Do you read my posts? I did not say that slams are not #1 criteria. I have been saying that apart from slams there are other factors which means that Djokovic does not have to reach Nadal's slam count in order to have better career.

Yep. I'm just making a comparison with Borg vs. Lendl and that despite Lendl spent a considerable longer time as #1, Borg is considered the player with the better career because he won more slams than Lendl.
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Laver won how many?You mean those Slams where club players played that I could probably beat with 2 months of training to get back in shape LOL
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Before their AO 2007 match Novak said in his previous post match interview after asked about his upcoming match: "I have only 4 words for him: You are going down"...
Now imagine the furor if Fed said anything remotely close to that.

Novak also ridiculed lot of players (fed included) in his imitations, shamelessly
everyone, in sane, knew that Nole was just joking. he is just a big goof. always been, always will be. Garad, his imitations are hilarious. he did them in a good spirit. he didn't want to mock anybody. he imitated almost all male/female players in the world (what so special that he imitated Fed). He just imitated Serena and it was so funny. sense of humor? let me try to find that video where he imitated Serena. maybe it will cheer you up. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=9eoa4q9o784

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Laver won how many?You mean those Slams where club players played that I could probably beat with 2 months of training to get back in shape LOL
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On topic Djokovic has got so many points in rankings in last months that his ranking is much better protected than the rankings of the ones behind him imo. I think that Djokovic will be a very solid number 1 for most of next year but behind him, many things may happen from Fed, Murray, Nadal to Ferrer for number 2 to 4 seeds (and Del Po and Berdych can also trouble them).

That's why yes, I see him as number 1 until late last year and overtaking Nadal for the number of weeks as number 1. And will probably stay ahead of Nadal for that stat in the future as well imo.

For the number of slams, I also think there's a good chance he overtakes Nadal for the number of slams.

Actually I expect him to dominate for several years and I fully understand that he aims at Sampras's record of 6 end-of-year number 1 rankings.

Yes, I think that with time going, Djokovic will be more and more recognized as one of the greatest players. Actually, since 2008, I've anticipated he would reach Lendl's, McEnroe's and Connors's category actually (I put Murray with Becker, Edberg and Wilander). So far I put Nadal still a bit higher but it can change.
Really? He needs 4 more. Will he be YE no.1 in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016? I doubt it. He will be 26 next year i.e. end of 2016 he'd have to be 30 and the no.1 player. His game isn't like Federer with lots of cheap points - he declined a bit in 2012 vs 2011 and no reason to think he'll be better at age 28 than he is now. Don't think that figure is reachable nor do I see him being this committed for 4 more years.

As for reaching Nadal's number of slams, for one that assumes Nadal will stay at 11. Nadal, body permitting, seems to be planning on playing at least the next 3-4 years. If we assume at least 2 of those he will be elite that's 8+ slams he could contend at - chances that he won't win even one of the next 3 FOs? Low. If Nadal ends up with 13 hypothetically, Novak will need 9 more slams to overtake him! 9! That's as many as Lendl in a career!

Even now he needs to win 7 to overtake Nadal! This is with Murray clearly showing that he can hang with Novak on HCs i.e. AO and USO will not be gimmes. Add in Del Potro and some new guys - a Janowicz or someone we've never heard of. The fact is winning slams isn't easy. Novak has the pedigree and talent to win a lot but he'll need some luck too.

Overall I see him ending up in a Lendl like position - LOT of consistency, lot of finals, long time at no.1, but fewer slams than his top rivals (Fedal) and a rung below them in the all-time great stakes. Nadal, like Borg, will have historically a short time as no.1 relative to his stature but in the context of him being no.2 to Federer for so long that's understandable.
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Laver won how many?You mean those Slams where club players played that I could probably beat with 2 months of training to get back in shape LOL
Laver had to play against some fantastic players: Rosewall, Emerson, Roche, Hoad, Newcombe,etc.

Those weren't exactly "club players".

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