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Rethinking the rankings: Current Top Ten and Greatest of Open Era

This is an interesting site! The rankings he comes up with are very different from conventional wisdom, that's for sure, especially when it comes to Greatest of the Open Era.

http://www.setratings.com/

CURRENT TOP TEN:

1 Federer, R. (SUI ) 2440
2 Roddick, A. (USA ) 2220
3 Hewitt, L. (AUS ) 2216
4 Agassi, A. (USA ) 2150
5 Safin, M. (RUS ) 2133
6 Henman, T. (GBR ) 2099
7 Coria, G. (ARG ) 2083
8 Kiefer, N. (GER ) 2081
9 Haas, T. (GER ) 2075
10 Canas, G. (ARG ) 2070


GREATEST OF OPEN ERA:

1 McEnroe, J. (USA ) 2543
2 Borg, B. (SWE ) 2456
3 Federer, R. (SUI ) 2440
4 Lendl, I. (USA ) 2432
5 Agassi, A. (USA ) 2396
6 Sampras, P. (USA ) 2395
7 Connors, J. (USA ) 2382
8 Becker, B. (GER ) 2380
9 Wilander, M. (SWE ) 2365
10 Edberg, S. (SWE ) 2358
11 Courier, J. (USA ) 2349
12 Roddick, A. (USA ) 2334
13 Bruguera, S. (ESP ) 2326
14 Muster, T. (AUT ) 2324
15 Korda, P. (CZE ) 2294
16 Kuerten, G. (BRA ) 2292
17 Hewitt, L. (AUS ) 2292
18 Stich, M. (GER ) 2285
19 Rafter, P. (AUS ) 2285
20 Ferrero, J. (ESP ) 2284
21 Vilas, G. (ARG ) 2281
22 Kafelnikov, Y. (RUS ) 2277
23 Safin, M. (RUS ) 2272
24 Gaudio, G. (ARG ) 2264
25 Chang, M. (USA ) 2260
26 Rios, M. (CHI ) 2249
27 Ivanisevic, G. (CRO ) 2248
28 Mecir, M. (CZE ) 2241
29 Coria, G. (ARG ) 2236
30 Noah, Y. (FRA ) 2230
31 Orantes, M. (ESP ) 2225
32 Cash, P. (AUS ) 2224
33 Ashe, A. (USA ) 2214
34 Clerc, J. (ARG ) 2203
35 Costa, A. (ESP ) 2202
36 Rusedski, G. (GBR ) 2201
37 Gerulaitis, V. (USA ) 2198
38 Krajicek, R. (NED ) 2193
39 Gomez, A. (ECU ) 2192
40 Nalbandian, D. (ARG ) 2192
41 Martin, T. (USA ) 2191
42 Enqvist, T. (SWE ) 2190
43 Moya, C. (ESP ) 2189
44 Bjorkman, J. (SWE ) 2184
45 Gottfried, B. (USA ) 2181
46 Mayer, G. (USA ) 2180
47 Philippoussis, M. (AUS ) 2180
48 Corretja, A. (ESP ) 2179
49 Nystrom, J. (SWE ) 2178
50 Johansson, T. (SWE ) 2178

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Re: Rethinking the rankings: Current Top Ten and Greatest of Open Era

Rusedski # 36 in history of tennis
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Glaudio 24
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Re: Rethinking the rankings: Current Top Ten and Greatest of Open Era

how the hell is Duckboy #12

Kuerten, Hewitt, Rafter, Kafelnikov and many many more have done greater.
Duckboy's only claim to fame is the #1 yr end rank last yr, and his biased programming to give him the US Open
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Re: Rethinking the rankings: Current Top Ten and Greatest of Open Era

Hmmmm...
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Re: Rethinking the rankings: Current Top Ten and Greatest of Open Era

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how the hell is Duckboy #12

Kuerten, Hewitt, Rafter, Kafelnikov and many many more have done greater.
Duckboy's only claim to fame is the #1 yr end rank last yr, and his biased programming to give him the US Open
True, but why is federer 4th all time?
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Even truer!
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and McEnroe #1 thats even worse
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Re: Rethinking the rankings: Current Top Ten and Greatest of Open Era

Did Pat McEnroe make this ??????????

on the looks of things he probably did.
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If Rusedski makes the list any ATP player can make a legitimate claim...
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and why is Carlos Moya down at #43
he's done a heck of alot more than half of those there.
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I took it seriously for 2 minutes then...
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Re: Rethinking the rankings: Current Top Ten and Greatest of Open Era

Interesting, thanks for sharing, Q!

So here's how they determine it... http://www.setratings.com/article.php?art_id=5 unique theory, anyway.

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Re: Rethinking the rankings: Current Top Ten and Greatest of Open Era

Some of the results made me raise an eyebrow, too. However, they are rigorous in the sense that they are derived from a single system (the author's personal opinion is involved only in the contruction of the system, not in any specific choices of players.) One can certainly argue with the system, though.

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Re: Rethinking the rankings: Current Top Ten and Greatest of Open Era

Note that the "Greatest of Open Era" ranking is attempting to measure peak ability rather than the more normal achievement over a career. Which makes ranking McEnroe 1st not unreasonable, though some of the others are wierd.
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