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Spartan era clownery still stands IMO.

But for real, you guys need to realise that Fed's return to #1 was mostly due to his great results at the end of last year and Wimbledon. If you look at this year only, Fed was really anywhere near the best player in the world 'only' in 2 tournaments - Wimbledon and Cincy.... And even in W he was poor until the SF.
Why do you care for the "Spartan Era"? I thought the established procedure would be to belittle the years before he really broke through, so you can claim Djokovic's career is better than Nadal's long before he gets as many big titles as the Spaniard. Whether or not this has anything to do with reality doesn't appear to matter, going by other discussions in here.

As for Fed being poor before Wimbledon SF, that is not entirely correct, he played three good matches and two not so good. You wouldn't say his R1, R2 or QF was unworthy of a world #1, would you? And I'd like to know your definition of when a player is anywhere near the best player in the world. Why is not Indian Wells included? Because he was behind in the rankings? Do you have to have both 1) ranking advantage at the end of the tournament and 2) win the title in order to seem like the best player in the world? If so, then Djokovic only managed three tournaments this year, AO, Miami and WFT. Three is not that much better than two.
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Spartan era clownery still stands IMO.

But for real, you guys need to realise that Fed's return to #1 was mostly due to his great results at the end of last year and Wimbledon. If you look at this year only, Fed was really anywhere near the best player in the world 'only' in 2 tournaments - Wimbledon and Cincy.... And even in W he was poor until the SF.
9 titles in 10 months including 1 GS, 1 WTF and 4 M1000... you can hardly say it was due to a couple of good months from Fed..

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9 titles in 10 months including 1 GS, 1 WTF and 4 M1000... you can hardly say it was due to a couple of good months from Fed..
But if you look at the last 10 months, that number falls to 6. It's clear that this year's end was not special at all for Federer.

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Why do you care for the "Spartan Era"? I thought the established procedure would be to belittle the years before he really broke through, so you can claim Djokovic's career is better than Nadal's long before he gets as many big titles as the Spaniard. Whether or not this has anything to do with reality doesn't appear to matter, going by other discussions in here.

As for Fed being poor before Wimbledon SF, that is not entirely correct, he played three good matches and two not so good. You wouldn't say his R1, R2 or QF was unworthy of a world #1, would you? And I'd like to know your definition of when a player is anywhere near the best player in the world. Why is not Indian Wells included? Because he was behind in the rankings? Do you have to have both 1) ranking advantage at the end of the tournament and 2) win the title in order to seem like the best player in the world? If so, then Djokovic only managed three tournaments this year, AO, Miami and WFT. Three is not that much better than two.
Lol, I don't even support that Spartan shit, it's just funny. As for Fed being poor at Wimbledon, I was tempted to write QF, but then again, it was Youzhny who bends over for him. He (Fed) was on his average in that match. In the SF and F he was way better than that and deserved to win and was the best player ATM. He didn't play anything special in IW, he did beat Rafa who was below average. Not saying he played bad, but you couldn't say he was the best player in the world after IW. Simply his level was great at the end of last season (but that is not this season, we are talking about 2012), but this year, he wasn't anywhere near best player before Wimbledon and after Cincy. He had some other good tournaments over the course of the year (IW, Dubai), but in any given moment there were 1 or 2 players better than him (you can't say 1 player is best in the world if he wins 1 tournament, otherwise you could say 'Ferrer is the best in the world' just a week ago - he was best in that tournemant and deserved to win it). And even if one player wins a tournament, it doesn't necessarily mean that he was the best player in that tournament. For example, Novak was way better at the USO than Murray. He showed much better form in all 6 matches before the final and in the final he wasn't outplayed and it's stupid to me if somebody says Murray was the best player at the USO 'just' because he won the 5th set of the final match. That's not saying Murray didn't deserve to win, but those are 2 different things. Back on topic, Fed did show some good form in WTF, but still wasn't the best player in the world, though I would still pick his WTF form over his IW or Madrid form any day.

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9 titles in 10 months including 1 GS, 1 WTF and 4 M1000... you can hardly say it was due to a couple of good months from Fed..
We are talking about 2012, not some random period in time. He was the best player at the end of last season (last couple of months), so what? I didn't say he didn't deserve to be ranked #1 after Wimbledon and you are talking off topic.

Look at it this way: from start of 2011 to Basel 2011 he wasn't the best player. From Basel to the end of 2011 he was. Then again he wasn't until Wimbledon. Then was in Wimbledon and Cincy (I would say from - to, but Murray really messed that up at the OGs) and after that he disappeared into oblivion, jsut to show some form last week, but still not enough to be called the best player in the world.

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the battle between federer and djokovic for nr 1 and andy murrays olympic gold + GS. and rosol can be remember if nadal wont return from his knee injurys
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Lol, I don't even support that Spartan shit, it's just funny. As for Fed being poor at Wimbledon, I was tempted to write QF, but then again, it was Youzhny who bends over for him. He (Fed) was on his average in that match. In the SF and F he was way better than that and deserved to win and was the best player ATM. He didn't play anything special in IW, he did beat Rafa who was below average. Not saying he played bad, but you couldn't say he was the best player in the world after IW. Simply his level was great at the end of last season (but that is not this season, we are talking about 2012), but this year, he wasn't anywhere near best player before Wimbledon and after Cincy. He had some other good tournaments over the course of the year (IW, Dubai), but in any given moment there were 1 or 2 players better than him (you can't say 1 player is best in the world if he wins 1 tournament, otherwise you could say 'Ferrer is the best in the world' just a week ago - he was best in that tournemant and deserved to win it). And even if one player wins a tournament, it doesn't necessarily mean that he was the best player in that tournament. For example, Novak was way better at the USO than Murray. He showed much better form in all 6 matches before the final and in the final he wasn't outplayed and it's stupid to me if somebody says Murray was the best player at the USO 'just' because he won the 5th set of the final match. That's not saying Murray didn't deserve to win, but those are 2 different things. Back on topic, Fed did show some good form in WTF, but still wasn't the best player in the world, though I would still pick his WTF form over his IW or Madrid form any day.
I agree that Federer wasn't the best player in the world after IW. As you said, one shouldn't go after just one tournament. That's why I find it puzzling you should claim Fed was only best after Wimbledon and Cincy. What about after US Open? He was clearly ahead in the rankings then. Sure, he didn't win there, but didn't we just establish we shouldn't go by one tournament alone? That's why I don't see how you can dismiss Federer both from IW and US Open.
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I agree that Federer wasn't the best player in the world after IW. As you said, one shouldn't go after just one tournament. That's why I find it puzzling you should claim Fed was only best after Wimbledon and Cincy. What about after US Open? He was clearly ahead in the rankings then. Sure, he didn't win there, but didn't we just establish we shouldn't go by one tournament alone? That's why I don't see how you can dismiss Federer both from IW and US Open.
I'm not talking about the rankings. The one that has most points in #1 and deservingly so.
I'm talking about level of play/form. By that I don't mean just 1 win or loss, but form in that time (few weeks, a month maybe) and also level of play in 1 single tournament, regardless if he wins the tournament or not(though that does have a big impact on an overall picture of one's form) as you can often see players play great in 1 tournament and very bad in the next. Fed was way better in Cincy than in USO. Who did he beat in USO? Verdasco? After that he played only Shanghai (bad form) and Basel (his average at best). Not #1 worthy for sure. Again, #1 in terms of being the best player in the world at that moment, not in terms of deserving or not the #1 ranking. Typical example of what I'm talking about is Fed's form at he end of 2011. He was the best player in the world back then, but he most definitely didn't deserve to be ranked #1.

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Fed winning wimbledon and getting no 1 .Also Novak winning a 6 hour battle at the AO

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Spartan era clownery still stands IMO.

But for real, you guys need to realise that Fed's return to #1 was mostly due to his great results at the end of last year and Wimbledon. If you look at this year only, Fed was really anywhere near the best player in the world 'only' in 2 tournaments - Wimbledon and Cincy.... And even in W he was poor until the SF.
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Nole cementing himself as the best player in the planet.
Murray winning his first slam.
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Nole winning AO final after being down a break in the 5th set
Fed having a great February/March and becoming the blue clay GOAT in May
RG final being suspended in the 4th set
Rosol beating Rafa
Fed winning and Muzz reaching his first Wimbledon final
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