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post #451 of 599 (permalink) Old 06-06-2011, 09:43 AM
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Re: "Bronze Medal" or 3rd Place in Tournments

The losing semi-finalists would not care about yet another 3rd place match. They wouldn't give their best effort, and they would be emotionally/physically exhausted.
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How Would You Speed Up the Game and Make the Matches Shorter

its clear that the sport is becoming more and more demanding with each passing year.

and the casualties continue to mount in terms of player injuries. this seriously threatens their longevity in the sport.

if you were in charge of speeding up the game and the matches, what items would be on your action agenda?

what steps can be taken to make the matches shorter?

we have seen already that we no longer have best of 5 sets finals at the masters series events. lately johnny mac has jumped on the bandwagon for this cause as well.

it is only a matter of time before some additional steps are taken to speed up the game in terms of shortening the time of the matches. there are some other spill over benefits to this: masses often find the matches too long. shortening the time of the matches may be one way to increase our sport`s mass appeal.

what might those steps be and which ones would you agree with?


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Re: Slow Down the Courts

They should make tennis triathlon Play one set on clay, then players should run to the second court (whoever is late gets penalized!), where they would play second set on hard court, while decider would be played on grass. Or maybe they should run to the other court on changeover... I'm still working out the rules

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They should make tennis triathlon Play one set on clay, then players should run to the second court (whoever is late gets penalized!), where they would play second set on hard court, while decider would be played on grass. Or maybe they should run to the other court on changeover... I'm still working out the rules
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Re: Slow Down the Courts

I personally would like to see tennis played at the speed of light.
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Re: MTF suggestions to reform the ATP and tennis in general

I've already said it:

Reduce the season by about 2 weeks, make IW and Miami 64 player draws.
IW and Miami sped up to medium/fast hard.
Give Madrid back to Hamburg. Slow down the big clay events.
SPEED UP WIMBLEDON
Speed up the US Open back to the way it was
Take Shanghai's TMS away and give it back to Madrid (indoor hard)
Bring back carpet and make Basel, Moscow, St Petersburg and Valencia all Gerflor, and bring back purple Gerflor for Paris
Give Shanghai the TMC and old surface back
5 set finals in Masters Series back


Basically you can see all what I'd do. Undoing all recently SHITE changes made by the ATP.

People who fix things that aren't broken are the most irritating people on Earth.

Slow-ass hard courts that are slower than clay should NOT exist. Not only is the tennis bad, but the sticky way the balls bounce is disgusting for a hard court.

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Proposal: New WTF Format

Hi Guys,

Wouldn't it be great to have a tournament where
- there are no draws, thus completely eliminating the element of luck.
- the top players have to play every other top player, rather than just the player who has landed in his group.

e.g Currently Nadal/Federer are not guaranteed to play against Djokovic/Murray, and vice-versa.

Thus here is what I propose,
- Reduce the number of players that qualify for WTF to 6 (rather than 8)
- For these 6 players, there would be no draws. Each player has to play all 5 other players.
- Then the top 4 winners get to play semifinals (1/4 and 2/3) and then finals.

Thus the winner/finalist would have to play a total of 7 matches (similar to a slam)

The main advantages would be
- there would be no luck or chance as draws are eliminated
- we would get to see guaranteed blockbuster matches irrespective of who reaches the semis or finals

The new format would be about "all top players competing against each other".

The current format is about "top players competing with some of the other top players, and then might or might not compete with other top players"
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Re: Proposal: New WTF Format

There's no way the players will agree to this.

A. Because they are already moaning about the length of the season and won't agree to play MORE matches.

B. The 8 players get a wealthy appearance fee for making the WTF, the players won't agree to effectively reduce their chances of getting a hefty pay check for qualifying by reducing the spots from 8 to 6, and the way in which the top 4 are so dominant just now it will just be a case of the rich getting richer.

Nice idea in theory but the player's have too much power these days.
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Re: Proposal: New WTF Format

Better idea.

128 player draw. All players play all other players, 127 matches for each player. This would ensure we got a true gauge of who is really number one. 16,129 total matches, so it would take a little bit longer than your average tournament, but it would eliminate the need for these arbitrary rankings that are currently used.
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Hi Guys,

Wouldn't it be great to have a tournament where
- there are no draws, thus completely eliminating the element of luck.
- the top players have to play every other top player, rather than just the player who has landed in his group.

e.g Currently Nadal/Federer are not guaranteed to play against Djokovic/Murray, and vice-versa.

Thus here is what I propose,
- Reduce the number of players that qualify for WTF to 6 (rather than 8)
- For these 6 players, there would be no draws. Each player has to play all 5 other players.
- Then the top 4 winners get to play semifinals (1/4 and 2/3) and then finals.

Thus the winner/finalist would have to play a total of 7 matches (similar to a slam)
If you'd like to have the winner/finalist to play 7 matches like in a slam, then they just have to play one another like in a round robin format. If there are 8 players, then each of them would've played a total of 7 times at least, and the one with the most matches won/most sets won/most games won will win.
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Hi Guys,

Wouldn't it be great to have a tournament where
- there are no draws, thus completely eliminating the element of luck.
- the top players have to play every other top player, rather than just the player who has landed in his group.

e.g Currently Nadal/Federer are not guaranteed to play against Djokovic/Murray, and vice-versa.

Thus here is what I propose,
- Reduce the number of players that qualify for WTF to 6 (rather than 8)
- For these 6 players, there would be no draws. Each player has to play all 5 other players.
- Then the top 4 winners get to play semifinals (1/4 and 2/3) and then finals.

Thus the winner/finalist would have to play a total of 7 matches (similar to a slam)

The main advantages would be
- there would be no luck or chance as draws are eliminated
- we would get to see guaranteed blockbuster matches irrespective of who reaches the semis or finals

The new format would be about "all top players competing against each other".

The current format is about "top players competing with some of the other top players, and then might or might not compete with other top players"
It's a great idea, I totally agree

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Better idea.

128 player draw. All players play all other players, 127 matches for each player. This would ensure we got a true gauge of who is really number one. 16,129 total matches, so it would take a little bit longer than your average tournament, but it would eliminate the need for these arbitrary rankings that are currently used.
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If you'd like to have the winner/finalist to play 7 matches like in a slam, then they just have to play one another like in a round robin format. If there are 8 players, then each of them would've played a total of 7 times at least, and the one with the most matches won/most sets won/most games won will win.
My main idea was not to make players play 7 matches, the main idea was to see the top players compete with all other top players.

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B. The 8 players get a wealthy appearance fee for making the WTF, the players won't agree to effectively reduce their chances of getting a hefty pay check for qualifying by reducing the spots from 8 to 6, and the way in which the top 4 are so dominant just now it will just be a case of the rich getting richer.
Imperfect Angel's idea seems good, this would retain 8 players in WTF (instead of 6) and we would even get to see all players playing each other. But then, there would be no semis and finals, without which the excitement is lost.

If we keep semis and finals too, then the winner/finalist would have played 9 matches, which is too much. Hence I was suggesting reducing it to 6 players.
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Better idea.

128 player draw. All players play all other players, 127 matches for each player. This would ensure we got a true gauge of who is really number one. 16,129 total matches, so it would take a little bit longer than your average tournament, but it would eliminate the need for these arbitrary rankings that are currently used.
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Re: Proposal: New WTF Format

how about 2 groups of 5 players each

top 10 players qualify!

group a
1.nole
3.murray
5.ferrer
7.berdych
9.tipsy

group b
2.nadal
4.feds
6.tsonga
8.fish
10.del potro

top 4 in each group qualify for quarterfinal knockout stage, knockout stages is a grueling best of 5 sets, all the way from quarterfinals to the finals, ya baby!
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If we keep semis and finals too, then the winner/finalist would have played 9 matches, which is too much. Hence I was suggesting reducing it to 6 players.
It can be scheduled based on who is winning and losing in the tournament to make sure the deciding matches are played on the last day. The problem is that the players would be playing 7 matches = they will be playing from Monday to Sunday, not something they will agree to.

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