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Djokovic - Del Potro
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Del Potro should qualify if he beats Tipsy in 2 and Fed beats Ferrer in 2 as expected. Federer will secure first place even before the last match with JMDP in the night session.

With a semifinal vs probably Murray hours later, Federer would be daft to go all out vs JMDP, after all we all know what happened the last time he faced Murray after slugging it out with JMDP, and this time he won't even have a day's rest, only a few hours, especially since it will be the night match,
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At the moment it looks like Federer - Murray and Djokovic - Ferrer.
We could have some "deliberate" losses before then.

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We could have some "deliberate" losses before then.
Federer has gone 3-0 in group play seven times, lots of which he was already qualified after two matches, and 2-1 two times. The first of those, he lost his opening match. He's not known for strategic losses. Whether or not a strategic loss will be of any consequence in the other group remains to be seen.
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Federer has gone 3-0 in group play seven times, lots of which he was already qualified after two matches, and 2-1 two times. The first of those, he lost his opening match. He's not known for strategic losses. Whether or not a strategic loss will be of any consequence in the other group remains to be seen.
You have to remember that he will face Del Potro in the last day of the group stages, night match. Hours later he will be playing his semifinal vs probably Nole or Murray. Is it really wise to go all out against Del Potro, Murray and Nole on three consecutive days given Federer's age? We all know what happened the last time he got into a slugfest with JMDP right before facing Murray, and this time he doesn't even have a rest day.

If he beats Ferrer 2-0, he will be qualified and would definitly be wise not to go all out against JMDP. Going through JMDP, Nole and Murray on three consecutive is always a tough ask, with the diminished recovery powers of Federer's aging body probably an impossible one.
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You have to remember that he will face Del Potro in the last day of the group stages, night match. Hours later he will be playing his semifinal vs probably Nole or Murray. Is it really wise to go all out against Del Potro, Murray and Nole on three consecutive days given Federer's age? We all know what happened the last time he got into a slugfest with JMDP right before facing Murray, and this time he doesn't even have a rest day.

If he beats Ferrer 2-0, he will be qualified and would definitly be wise not to go all out against JMDP. Going through JMDP, Nole and Murray on three consecutive is always a tough ask, with the diminished recovery powers of Federer's aging body probably an impossible one.
It doesn't matter. Federer will definitely not tank.
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You have to remember that he will face Del Potro in the last day of the group stages, night match. Hours later he will be playing his semifinal vs probably Nole or Murray. Is it really wise to go all out against Del Potro, Murray and Nole on three consecutive days given Federer's age? We all know what happened the last time he got into a slugfest with JMDP right before facing Murray, and this time he doesn't even have a rest day.

If he beats Ferrer 2-0, he will be qualified and would definitly be wise not to go all out against JMDP. Going through JMDP, Nole and Murray on three consecutive is always a tough ask, with the diminished recovery powers of Federer's aging body probably an impossible one.
Well, beating Del Potro will probably mean eliminating him, so he won't have to worry about seeing him again in the final. He wouldn't mind seeing Ferrer a second time.

There's also the possibility of Tipsarevic beating Ferrer, in which case a loss to DelPo will give away the group win.
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It doesn't matter. Federer will definitely not tank.
We'll see. It could be wise to, though, Nole or Murray will probably be waiting for him less than 24 hours later. The group B is at a huge disadvantage in this respect, especially Federer who due to age and mileage can't recover as fast between matches as he once did.

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Well, beating Del Potro will probably mean eliminating him, so he won't have to worry about seeing him again in the final. He wouldn't mind seeing Ferrer a second time.

There's also the possibility of Tipsarevic beating Ferrer, in which case a loss to DelPo will give away the group win.
But is getting rid of a potential threat in Delpo more important than being fresh? I mean, if he and Delpo get involved in a long match like Olympics or Basel, odds are Federer will not even be in the final.

As for the group win, does it really matter? I might be wrong here, but don't think has any preference between facing Murray or Nole in semis (it could be relevant if Jo/Tomas snatched second place), he'd probably even prefer second place to play the first semi and have more rest time for the final if he wins.

Obviously this is just looking at a situation from a practical point of view. Group B is kind of screwed up by the scheduling, I'm sure Federer will at least have this in mind.
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SF: Federer-Murray
Djokovic-Ferrer

F: Federer-Djokovic

W: Federer

Just bring 2013 already!
THIS. Fed will win in a tight 2 setter v Nole. Indoorer lol Murray is playing crap. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make it into the semis tbh lol. I really don't want it to be yet another Murray - Novak final. Those matches kill me. so Fed- Nole PLEASE.

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We'll see. It could be wise to, though, Nole or Murray will probably be waiting for him less than 24 hours later. The group B is at a huge disadvantage in this respect, especially Federer who due to age and mileage can't recover as fast between matches as he once did.
Federer has won five best-of-three tournaments this year playing QF-SF-F on consecutive days. I don't think this scares him enough to make provisions for it.
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Federer has won five best-of-three tournaments this year playing QF-SF-F on consecutive days. I don't think this scares him enough to make provisions for it.
But none of those routes was as demanding as Delpo-Murray/Nole-Nole/Murray though.

You have to remember the group A semifinalist he will face will be very well rested (at least 48 hours), which is an extra disadvantage. None of this would be a problem if Federer was in his prime, but he isn't - at his age, recovery from match to match doesn't come as easy.
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Re: WTF semi-final qualification speculation thread

How are the semis decided? (because I don't understand how Murray and Djokovic can play in the SF when they already played in the RR)

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Re: WTF semi-final qualification speculation thread

If Djokovic takes one set against Berdych, he's through to the SF no matter what. If Berdych comes through 2-1 and Murray loses, it's Berdych 1st and Djokovic 2nd (two players with same wins = h2h decides). If Berdych comes through 2-1 and Murray wins, then it gets interesting. Djokovic could then only be 2nd to Murray, if Murray wins in two convincing sets against (3 players with same wins = order decided by sets, then games and lastly ATP ranking).

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Now that Berdych beat Tsonga, things are still interesting. Tsonga can still qualify if Berdych loses to Djokovic by winning his match against Murray. Then three players would be tied at 1W 2L and sets would decide. Since Tsonga lost in straights against Djokovic, he should probably win Murray in straights to have a chance.

If Berdych beats Djokovic, Tsonga is out. So hopefully Tsonga and Murray play their match first.

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lol, who will beat him? Wawrinka? Berdych? Gulbis? Rosol? Federer?

Only Del Potro can take him out before the semis, and he won't. Nadal is winning the AO, bet your house on it.
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Here is a crazy stat for you, if Djokovic beats Berdych in straights Murray can qualify by even losing to Tsonga aslong as he wins a set.
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Tho if Nole lose in 2 and Mandy wins in 2, Nole goes out.

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