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Re: Better player? - Davydenko or Ferrer

Kolya, he won more Masters and a WTF.

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Re: Better player? - Davydenko or Ferrer

Davydenko, many years among top-players, but "Kolya" did you really need to get in the "Ferrer-obsession" wars

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Re: Better player? - Davydenko or Ferrer

Davydenko, weak attempt to start useless arguments

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Re: Better player? - Davydenko or Ferrer

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Davydenko, many years among top-players, but "Kolya" did you really need to get in the "Ferrer-obsession" wars
I always believe Davydenko is a better player overall, but Ferrer seems to be catching up especially with 7 titles this year.

Just wondering rather then attempting to cause Ferrer hate!

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I always believe Davydenko is a better player overall, but Ferrer seems to be catching up especially with 7 titles this year.

Just wondering rather then attempting to cause Ferrer hate!
yes I agree and understand you, but asking such a question to MTF is overrating MTF if you want a real answer, and underrating it as far as hatred is concerned.

I agree that Ferrer is catching up at the moment (and there are other arguments : I have a compilation of H2Hs against 30 other "top-players" of the last decade and Ferrer has 56% wins, Davydenko 47%) but Davydenko is still clearly ahead for several reasons, including the WTF win.

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Re: Better player? - Davydenko or Ferrer

Actually Davydenko is most comparable to Ferrer - age wise, and gamestyle wise - i mean those big hitters totally different than Ferrer, but this is more similar, howewer Davydenko´s career is better and his peak by far superior, Ferrer is Mr.consistent at his best, but can´t challenge top 4, Davydenko at his best was offensive machine, left -right left-right, playing super quick tennis even best deffenders feel the pressure, Davydenko at his best was indoor beast, Ferrer at his best is Mr. consistent. Davydenko over Ferrer for sure
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Re: Better player? - Davydenko or Ferrer

ferrer is way more consistent, but highlights in davydenko´s career are better...so it depends on what you care more

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Re: Better player? - Davydenko or Ferrer

I really love both players but it's Kolya. He simply has/had amazing shot skills. It's too bad he didn't win a major. I remember 5 years or so, everyone was making fun of him, but he is really that good. Davydenko simply has a better natural instinct than Pics.
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Actually Davydenko is most comparable to Ferrer - age wise, and gamestyle wise - i mean those big hitters totally different than Ferrer, but this is more similar, howewer Davydenko´s career is better and his peak by far superior, Ferrer is Mr.consistent at his best, but can´t challenge top 4, Davydenko at his best was offensive machine, left -right left-right, playing super quick tennis even best deffenders feel the pressure, Davydenko at his best was indoor beast, Ferrer at his best is Mr. consistent. Davydenko over Ferrer for sure
it's a pure prejudice, they have similar H2Hs to best players :
Djokovic-Davydenko 6-2 // Djokovic-Ferrer 9-5
Federer-Davydenko 17-2 // Federer-Ferrer 13-0
Murray-Davydenko 6-4 // Murray-Ferrer 6-5

main difference is :
Nadal-Davydenko 5-6 // Nadal-Ferrer 15-4

but Ferrer has much more often played against Nadal on clay than Davydenko :
on hardcourts : Nadal-Davydenko 1-6 // Nadal-Ferrer 3-3
on clay : Nadal-Davydenko 4-0 // Nadal-Ferrer 12-1

and against other good players :

against oldies :
Davydenko-Roddick 1-5 // Ferrer-Roddick 7-4
Davydenko-Nalbandian 5-7 // Ferrer-Nalbandian 8-5
Davydenko-Hewitt 0-4 // Ferrer-Hewitt 2-1
Davydenko-Safin 4-4 // Ferrer-Safin 1-1
Davydenko-Ferrero 3-2 // Ferrer-Ferrero 7-2
Davydenko-Ljubicic 4-4 // Ferrer-Ljubicic 6-1
Davydenko-Haas 4-1 // Ferrer-Haas 2-0
Davydenko-Gonzalez 6-0 // Ferrer-Gonzalez 5-5
Davydenko-Blake 1-7 // Ferrer-Blake 1-2
Davydenko-Robredo 5-2 // Ferrer-Robredo 5-2

against youngsters :
Davydenko-Söderling 4-7 // Ferrer-Söderling 4-10
Davydenko-Del Potro 3-2 // Ferrer-Del Potro 5-2
Davydenko-Tsonga 2-1 // Ferrer-Tsonga 2-1
Davydenko-Berdych 9-2 // Ferrer-Berdych 5-3
Davydenko-Gasquet 2-3 // Ferrer-Gasquet 7-1
Davydenko-Monfils 2-2 // Ferrer-Monfils 0-3

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Re: Better player? - Davydenko or Ferrer

Regardless h2h doesnt come into this discussion.

More MS and a WTF win is all that matters
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Re: Better player? - Davydenko or Ferrer

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it's a pure prejudice, they have similar H2Hs to best players :
Djokovic-Davydenko 6-2 // Djokovic-Ferrer 9-5
Federer-Davydenko 17-2 // Federer-Ferrer 13-0
Murray-Davydenko 6-4 // Murray-Ferrer 6-5

main difference is :
Nadal-Davydenko 5-6 // Nadal-Ferrer 15-4

but Ferrer has much more often played against Nadal on clay than Davydenko :
on hardcourts : Nadal-Davydenko 1-6 // Nadal-Ferrer 3-3
on clay : Nadal-Davydenko 4-0 // Nadal-Ferrer 12-1

and against other good players :

against oldies :
Davydenko-Roddick 1-5 // Ferrer-Roddick 7-4
Davydenko-Nalbandian 5-7 // Ferrer-Nalbandian 8-5
Davydenko-Hewitt 0-4 // Ferrer-Hewitt 2-1
Davydenko-Safin 4-4 // Ferrer-Safin 1-1
Davydenko-Ferrero 3-2 // Ferrer-Ferrero 7-2
Davydenko-Ljubicic 4-4 // Ferrer-Ljubicic 6-1
Davydenko-Haas 4-1 // Ferrer-Haas 2-0
Davydenko-Gonzalez 6-0 // Ferrer-Gonzalez 5-5
Davydenko-Blake 1-7 // Ferrer-Blake 1-2
Davydenko-Robredo 5-2 // Ferrer-Robredo 5-2

against youngsters :
Davydenko-Söderling 4-7 // Ferrer-Söderling 4-10
Davydenko-Del Potro 3-2 // Ferrer-Del Potro 5-2
Davydenko-Tsonga 2-1 // Ferrer-Tsonga 2-1
Davydenko-Berdych 9-2 // Ferrer-Berdych 5-3
Davydenko-Gasquet 2-3 // Ferrer-Gasquet 7-1
Davydenko-Monfils 2-2 // Ferrer-Monfils 0-3
I was talking just about top 4 not rest of the tour. And H2h is not important here, Ferrer just can´t challenge them- yes he is favorit vs Murray on clay, but generalyl speaking at big events slams, WTF, Masters, Ferrer can´t beat Top 3 and can beat just Murray on clay - yes in the past he has some victories, like Rafa straight sets in Melbourne...

Davydenko when was playing good was threat vs top 4, on outdoor HC and indoor HC- most of the tour HC - he was threat even to Roger, and was superior on this surfae over Rafa and was able to challenge Nole and Andy
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lol

Davy for sure.
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I was talking just about top 4 not rest of the tour. And H2h is not important here, Ferrer just can´t challenge them- yes he is favorit vs Murray on clay, but generalyl speaking at big events slams, WTF, Masters, Ferrer can´t beat Top 3 and can beat just Murray on clay - yes in the past he has some victories, like Rafa straight sets in Melbourne...

Davydenko when was playing good was threat vs top 4, on outdoor HC and indoor HC- most of the tour HC - he was threat even to Roger, and was superior on this surfae over Rafa and was able to challenge Nole and Andy
I'm fed-up with those prejudice

I could put every fact in front of your eyes, nothing would change.

in slams, the only top-4 which Davydenko defeated was 19-year-old Murray in the US Open 2006, Ferrer defeated Nadal and Murray.

Congrats Kolya you gave another place for people to display all of their prejudice on Ferrer

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Re: Better player? - Davydenko or Ferrer

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So who is the better player after Ferrer has finally won a Masters series event.
So Kolya, you just wanted a bunch of people to come here and tell you many times how much better Kolya is?
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Re: Better player? - Davydenko or Ferrer

Clearly Davydenko is the more accomplished and I doubt Ferrer has enough time and energy left to catch him (assuming Davydenko is essentially finished).

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