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post #271 of 281 (permalink) Old 11-04-2012, 09:04 PM
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Re: ATP World Tour Finals draw discussion

Just like how Novak got an extremely draw at the U.S. Open, Fed got an extremely easy draw here. Here's how I'd view the relative difficulty for Federer and Djokovic when it comes to the field. The higher the number, the higher the difficulty (out of 10).

Murray: tough for both Federer & Djokovic, although slightly less so for Djokovic
-Federer: 8
-Djokovic: 6
Ferrer: walking bye (although Djokovic very well could lose to him, but shouldn't...especially on hard. EVER)
-Federer: 2
-Djokovic: 4
Berdych: relatively easy for Novak, tough for Federer
-Federer: 7
-Djokovic: 4
Del Potro: slightly challenging for both players
Federer: 5
Djokovic: 5
Tsonga: challenging for both players
Federer: 5
Djokovic: 6
Tipsarevic: challenging for Novak, relatively simple for Federer
Federer: 3
Djokovic: 5

Now, let's see: who got who:

Federer: Ferrer(2), del Potro(5), Tipsarevic(3)
Djokovic: Murray(6), Berdych(4), Tsonga(6)

So, according to my subjective scale of difficulty, Federer comes out with a difficulty of 10 and Djokovic with 16.
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Very tricky match for Fed on Tuesday. The fact that Fixy has now officially spent all retiring reasons and cognition that he will be forced to finish one match will make him extremely dangerous for everybody

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Just like how Novak got an extremely draw at the U.S. Open, Fed got an extremely easy draw here. Here's how I'd view the relative difficulty for Federer and Djokovic when it comes to the field. The higher the number, the higher the difficulty (out of 10).

Murray: tough for both Federer & Djokovic, although slightly less so for Djokovic
-Federer: 8
-Djokovic: 6
Ferrer: walking bye (although Djokovic very well could lose to him, but shouldn't...especially on hard. EVER)
-Federer: 2
-Djokovic: 4
Berdych: relatively easy for Novak, tough for Federer
-Federer: 7
-Djokovic: 4
Del Potro: slightly challenging for both players
Federer: 5
Djokovic: 5
Tsonga: challenging for both players
Federer: 5
Djokovic: 6
Tipsarevic: challenging for Novak, relatively simple for Federer
Federer: 3
Djokovic: 5

Now, let's see: who got who:

Federer: Ferrer(2), del Potro(5), Tipsarevic(3)
Djokovic: Murray(6), Berdych(4), Tsonga(6)

So, according to my subjective scale of difficulty, Federer comes out with a difficulty of 10 and Djokovic with 16.
Murray is much tougher for Djoker than Tsonga, especially in current form. They should not have the same rating.

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Acceptable draw for me personally. Wanted to see Janko against Roger for ages now.
Hopefully, he will play a couple of games before he retires
Murray landed in Federer's half a few times in a row lately, it would be too much if it happened here too.

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Acceptable draw for me personally. Wanted to see Janko against Roger for ages now.
Hopefully, he will play a couple of games before he retires
Murray landed in Federer's half a few times in a row lately, it would be too much if it happened here too.
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Here is a look at the two groups listed by matches won and lost in WTF previous years.

Group A:
Murray 7-5
Djokovic 9-9
Tsonga 4-4
Berdych 3-4

Total group A 23-22.

Group B:
Federer 39-7
Ferrer 6-6
Del Potro 4-4
Tipsarevic 1-1

Total group B 50-18.

Group B is massively more merited than group A. Even if you remove the players with the best statistic, Federer and Murray, group B comes out with a better percentage, 11-11 to 16-17. No single player in group B has lost more matches than he's won. If fact, five out of eight players have won exactly as many matches as they've lost, which is quite remarkable considering none of them are competing for the first time.
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Group B is massively more merited than group A. Even if you remove the players with the best statistic, Federer and Murray, group B comes out with a better percentage, 11-11 to 16-17. No single player in group B has lost more matches than he's won. If fact, five out of eight players have won exactly as many matches as they've lost, which is quite remarkable considering none of them are competing for the first time.
This is the most hypocritical post I saw at MTF for over six years. And MTF has seen LOTS of hypocrisy.

I am tempted to look at your posts about WTF draw before it was made, but don't want to waste time. Hypocrisy is the nature of fedtardism, that's why Fed is their idol actually.
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This is the most hypocritical post I saw at MTF for over six years. And MTF has seen LOTS of hypocrisy.

I am tempted to look at your posts about WTF draw before it was made, but don't want to waste time. Hypocrisy is the nature of fedtardism, that's why Fed is their idol actually.

To clarify for you what you've just said:
http://translate.google.com/#en/ru/hypocritical
I hope you understand Russian, Kazakh was not an option, unfortunately.

Giving facts is not hypocritical in any language. Feel free to correct any error you should find among them, otherwise accept them as they are.
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So, in conclusion from all talk around here, I take Group A is Leader Group and Group B is Merit Group.

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To clarify for you what you've just said:
http://translate.google.com/#en/ru/hypocritical
I hope you understand Russian, Kazakh was not an option, unfortunately.

Giving facts is not hypocritical in any language. Feel free to correct any error you should find among them, otherwise accept them as they are.
Это самый лицемерный post of all I've ever seen on MTF for over six years. Does this suit you better?

Why don't you check the meaning of "massively more merited" then? I've been to WTF and seen matches there. Everyone who is not playing hypocrisy games knows that simple statistics of the RR matches outcomes means nothing. It's like taking into account statistics of DC dead rubbers My problem with you is that you know that very well too. Yet, you made your post here. Why? Because that's what fedtards do, they repeat and repeat one and the same BS over and over again, because they know, people are likely to believe any lie if they hear it over and over again.
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Это самый лицемерный post of all I've ever seen on MTF for over six years. Does this suit you better?

Why don't you check the meaning of "massively more merited" then? I've been to WTF and seen matches there. Everyone who is not playing hypocrisy games knows that simple statistics of the RR matches outcomes means nothing. It's like taking into account statistics of DC dead rubbers My problem with you is that you know that very well too. Yet, you made your post here. Why? Because that's what fedtards do, they repeat and repeat one and the same BS over and over again, because they know, people are likely to believe any lie if they hear it over and over again.
My problem with you is that you accuse me of both hypocrisy and lying when all I did was give correct, undisputed facts. Yes, "Massively more merited" is an undisputed fact - three players in group B combine for nine final appearances, two players in group A combine for two. And you will also notice, if you try, that I did not claim anything on the basis of these facts. I just gave them. There was no "This proves beyond doubt that group B... " or anything like that.

If you are a serious poster, you will give me an apology.
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