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post #136 of 160 (permalink) Old 10-31-2012, 01:50 PM
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Yeah low bounce exposes his lack of flexibility, his height becomes a big disadvantage. Safin was an exception he could bend pretty low and was incredibly athletic for his height. However, Potro is almost 6-7'' you can't really blame him for this.

Cincy is the only decently paced court out there, and London can be quick too, the low bounce makes it appear quicker paced.
del potro does not have the natural talent of safin, obviously

whether he'll end up with the better career remains to be seen


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He should do well in the clay Masters, I think, especially Madrid where he usually plays well.

Cincy is the most suited hardcourt Masters for him imo, IW and Miami are annoyingly slow. He can play well on all surfaces though; he can adapt his power game to any given conditions. Against the top guys though, a fast court is always preferrable, on slow/medium courts guys like Djokovic and Murray can frustrate him big time with their defense. Some of Djokovic's defensive gets in their US Open match, while quite spectacular, would have been downright impossible in a proper fast hardcourt.

don't agree. SF this year in cincy is an aberration. it's too fast and low bouncing for him to play naturally there. shouldn't focus on it too much

still think indian wells is the most natural hard court masters for him, bounce is just right, court is not too slow or fast. mimai is way slower than indian wells, no surprise he's not as good there

as for madrid, shouldn've never moved from indoors. should've never changed from stuttgart, even. its a masters, but looks and acts like a 250

he doesn't play monte carlo. that leaves rome, can't see him winning there; djokovic loves it, and he's a death match up for him

obviously US Open is far slower than what it used to be. del potro and nadal wouldn't be winning it at the proper 90s/early 2000s speed. djokovic might, depends how he served
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On fast HC Nadal's forehand isn't neither in top 5. if those courts still exist number of his shanks would top number of winners. wrong technique, wrong strings intensity, wrong arm swing... wrong everything to attack those balls from point to point

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I saw Del Potro playing live in Bercy and now on TV in the WTF and I don't understand why his forehand is so overrated comparing to ... his backhand !

Del Po is powerful and solid on both shots when he's not injured, he's better on his forehand but not that much, and I fully disagree that "it's his forehand that makes the damage".

I rated his backhand low in the backhands thread primarily because of his wrist problems in the summer which made him play bad backhands during that period ... and because there are such good competitors in the top-10 that it's actually tough to rate them, esp. in the middle section.

Besides, by seeing Del Po live, I can say he has a great talent in his shots imo because it's not easy at all to play such great baseline shots when one is that tall and hardly flexes knees.

I still think the ideal size for tennis is much smaller than that, between 1.85 m and 1.90 m.

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1- Nadal 2- Federer 3- Djokovic 4- Del Potro 5- Berdych 6- Ferrer 7- Murray 8- Tsonga 9- Tipsarevic 10-Gasquet EXPLANATIONS-Tsonga is only 8 because he makes a lot of unforced erors, Murray forehand is much better than before and he is not making a mistakes with it but it is not destructive like Tsonga,same story with Ferer but it is a little bit better than ANDY's in offense,little advantage to Rafa against Federer forehand because Roger is making more unforced erros.
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1 Federer
2 Nadal
3 Tsonga
4 Djokovic
5 Del Potro
6 Ferrer
7 Murray
8 Tipsarevic
9 Berdych
10 Gasquet
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1. Nadal
2. Del Potro
3. Federer
4. Djokovic
5. Ferrer
6. Tsonga
7. Berdych
8. Murray
9. Tipsarevic
10. Gasquet
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Bump - two players have entered the Top 10 since creating the thread, and it'll be interesting to see any changes in opinions:

1. Nadal (most consistent and produces huge amounts of spin)
2. Del Potro (most powerful but lacks variety)
3. Federer (best variety but is declining)
4. Tsonga (huge when on and covers his BH/ROS weaknesses, but not great at returning serves)
5. Djokovic (not as huge as some of the others but has good variety and is pretty reliable)
6. Ferrer (not a big shot, but is very reliable and can punish those off their game, his main attacking weapon)
7. Berdych (huge when on, liability at times)
8. Murray (improving and can be strong but lacks the bite of those above him)
9. Wawrinka (meh, there's worse but it's a bit of a liability)
10. Gasquet (less said about this shot the better)

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Re: Rank the forehands of the top 10 from best to worst

It's still similar to my list in post #2:

1-del Potro
2-Nadal
3-Federer

4-Tsonga
5-Berdych
6-Djokovic

7-Wawrinka

8-Murray
9-Ferrer
10-Gasquet

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3.Ferrer
4/5.Del Potro

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6.Djokovic
7.Murray
8.Tsonga
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lol, yeah. No-one (except maybe a really big name on clay) would be more afraid of Ferrer's FH than Delpo's.

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Re: Rank the forehands of the top 10 from best to worst

1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Delpo
4. Berdych
5. Tsonga
6. Djokovic
7. Ferrer
8. Murray
9. Wawrinka
10. Gasquet

BHs on the other hand....

1. Djokovic
2. Wawrinka
3. Murray
4. Gasquet
5. Nadal
6. Federer
7. Berdych
8. Delpo
9. Berdych
10. Ferrer

And serves....

1. Federer
2. Tsonga
3. Delpo
4. Wawrinka
5. Berdych
6. Djokovic
7. Murray
8. Nadal
9. Ferrer
10. Gasquet

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Are we talking peak forehands or shankhands of today?

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IMHO prime Fed was better than Nadal in the FH department. I won't bother ranking other guys, Most of you got it right or close to what I think.

However. when good old Gonzo was on, his FH was absolutely beautiful ... I'm drooling right now
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In that period Fed played most of the time just slice BH, even on clay.
I just don't think that is true. Federer always played quite a lot of topspin backhands. But I do agree that his forehand at his peak is unrivalled.

This "early" Jesus-Fed match proves both points: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhMh0YMyzNY

The forehand is devastating, but he hits a lot of topspin backhands as well. Arguably as many as he does today. But while the Federer of today has lost quite a bit of power (and consistency) on the forehand side, I think the main difference between the Federer today and the Federer of then is the footwork/speed, which is to be expected. And just think that the Federer of 2006 and very early 2007 was even better than the Federer of 2004.

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ATM (not at all). FH as an attacking shot:
1.Nadal
2.Berdych
3.Federer
4.Del Potro
5.Wawrinka
6.Tsonga
7.Djokovic
8.Ferrer
9.Murray
10.Gasquet
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I just don't think that is true. Federer always played quite a lot of topspin backhands. But I do agree that his forehand at his peak is unrivalled.

This "early" Jesus-Fed match proves both points: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhMh0YMyzNY

The forehand is devastating, but he hits a lot of topspin backhands as well. Arguably as many as he does today. But while the Federer of today has lost quite a bit of power (and consistency) on the forehand side, I think the main difference between the Federer today and the Federer of then is the footwork/speed, which is to be expected. And just think that the Federer of 2006 and very early 2007 was even better than the Federer of 2004.
Didn't know Muger used to hit forehands like that, almost like ballbashing.
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