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I agree with this.
Make Monte Carlo a real Masters again and make Paris a 500 in the Indoor season before the WTF with Basel and Valencia all in different weeks so Top Players can chose 2 or 3 of these tournaments and have a week rest inbetween if they need it.
the problem is not really the city imo, but the fact that since the creation of the "Masters Series" (Super-9 and other names in the past), there had been 2 indoor Masters 1000 tournaments.

Since Shanghai replaced Madrid, there's only one left.

And if Paris is not a Masters 1000 anymore as the threat is real, there will be noone left.

I remember a time in the 80s (it was also true in the 70s and less but still in the 90s) when there were so many big tournaments indoors ... and many of them were played on carpet.

I think all this evolution is sad because I do like indoor tennis and, contrary to Tignor, I enjoy watching tennis in fall while the weather is bad outside, it's good against being sad.

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I agree with this.
Make Monte Carlo a real Masters again and make Paris a 500 in the Indoor season before the WTF with Basel and Valencia all in different weeks so Top Players can chose 2 or 3 of these tournaments and have a week rest inbetween if they need it.
You hate indoor tennis so much, don`t you?

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You hate indoor tennis so much, don`t you?

I don't hate indoor tennis but I like it less than outdoor tennis. And I wouldn't mind 1 or 2 Indoor Masters (they could have an Asian Indoor Masters for example) but as it is now and with the current schedule, reducing the Masters in Paris makes teh most sense to me. And in February Paris wouldn't be practical either because at the time there are already so many different tournaments on different continents, it wouldn't fit in.

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I don't hate indoor tennis but I like it less than outdoor tennis. And I wouldn't mind 1 or 2 Indoor Masters (they could have an Asian Indoor Masters for example) but as it is now and with the current schedule, reducing the Masters in Paris makes teh most sense to me. And in February Paris wouldn't be practical either because at the time there are already so many different tournaments on different continents, it wouldn't fit in.
Djodal would like it.

That`s why if players want to have longer holidays it should be done not by indoor tennis cost.

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Djodal would like it.

I'm sure Federer would like it was well since he doesn't want to play Basel, Paris and WTF three weeks in a row.

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paris is fine as it is. it is what it is, sampras etc barely played it in the 90s either. always been trod upon

if you're talking about changes to masters, then make indian wells and miami a week shorter

madrid is crap as a masters, at least since it became clay, but its not changing

shanghai is also shit, but there's no way they're cancelling that. too much 'potential'
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I'm sure Federer would like it was well since he doesn't want to play Basel, Paris and WTF three weeks in a row.
Decreasing in quantaty of indoor events won`t make him that happy, I`m sure.

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I don't hate indoor tennis but I like it less than outdoor tennis. And I wouldn't mind 1 or 2 Indoor Masters (they could have an Asian Indoor Masters for example) but as it is now and with the current schedule, reducing the Masters in Paris makes teh most sense to me. And in February Paris wouldn't be practical either because at the time there are already so many different tournaments on different continents, it wouldn't fit in.
soon there will be no more ATP500 tournament in the USA in february (has been sold to Brasil), and there are less and less tournaments in the USA in february anyway.

But the big tough part of the plan is to move the SouthAmerican season to the end of the year.

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Of course, a stupid decision to have Paris Masters the week before the World Tour Finals, which makes the Paris Indoors an awful event this year.

I think many of the problems in the calendar ultimately stem from having the Australian Open in late January. If the AO were in either December (like it used to be) or March, then you could have a proper indoor season, rather than a short one in October/November and another short one in February.

Also, heat in Melbourne can be pretty brutal in late Jan, compared with December or March, which spoils the quality of AO matches quite often. But the organisers insist that the AO must be played during the Aussie school holidays. I don't know why they get that privilege - none of the other slams are played during the school holidays of the countries that host them.

And of course, 4 weeks of masters tennis in the US in March at the moment is ridiculous. Miami is fine, a good tournament and a place with a great tennis history. But two weeks in Indian Wells is ridiculous, IW must become a 1-week event or better still, disappear altogether. They don't deserve the event at all.
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Of course, a stupid decision to have Paris Masters the week before the World Tour Finals, which makes the Paris Indoors an awful event this year.

I think many of the problems in the calendar ultimately stem from having the Australian Open in late January. If the AO were in either December (like it used to be) or March, then you could have a proper indoor season, rather than a short one in October/November and another short one in February.

Also, heat in Melbourne can be pretty brutal in late Jan, compared with December or March, which spoils the quality of AO matches quite often. But the organisers insist that the AO must be played during the Aussie school holidays. I don't know why they get that privilege - none of the other slams are played during the school holidays of the countries that host them.

And of course, 4 weeks of masters tennis in the US in March at the moment is ridiculous. Miami is fine, a good tournament and a place with a great tennis history. But two weeks in Indian Wells is ridiculous, IW must become a 1-week event or better still, disappear altogether. They don't deserve the event at all.
paris has always been shat upon by top guys, nothing new. the players requested the move, also

indian wells isn't going anywhere, behave

AO heat effect is nowhere as bad as it was in 1990s

masters tournaments in the US (cincinnati, not so much) are full of themselves. aren't the most prestigious of tournaments; they just like to think they are
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In his press conference today, Djokovic talked about it and he said that they would talk about it again after the WTF. Not the first time I read it. They chose that to get one more week off afterwards but it's of course not ideal. He says "it was the only option for that". But they will talk about it again after the WTF, "maybe they can find another option"


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Guy Forget's interview (director of Paris-Bercy tournament) in French :

http://www.welovetennis.fr/interviews/58023-forget

with several clues about the future reform of the calendar :

- it seems that the reform which Nadal and Djokovic wanted to put the WTF right after the US Open and which could move Paris-Bercy to february would be rather for 2015 than for 2014 ;

- the main opposition to that reform, which implies moving the southAmerican clay season to december according to his words and not november (it seems to me that it means it would rather be the beginning of the next season rather than the end of the previous one, as the WTF would be in october), comes from claycourt players, not from southAmerican tournament organizers who would quite like that december-period (and Paris-Bercy director jumped on the idea when it was suggested that the tournament might move to february because it's the ideal for Paris-Bercy tournament). I guess that Ferrer, Almagro and some other claycourt players wouldn't like having to play that late (Nadal well was the initiator of the reform then I guess he's in favour of it ) ;

- in the intermediate period, Paris-Bercy director would like the week between Paris-Bercy and the WTF to come back ;

- these things are under debate at the moment, Forget thought things would have been announced last week then I guess it's to come soon but there will be debates with top-players in London ;

- some other questions are specific to Paris-Bercy because there's a plan (not relative to tennis in the beginning) to re-build the arena in next years and they need to know when the tournament takes place to adjust, it's complicated ;

- a funny but realistic comment by Forget about players "some players have a certain age and are an old hand, some are young, a little bit loopy and sometimes have excessive behaviours, but that's the richness of the Tour. I used to be a player as well and I could, in some moments of my carreer, give opinions which were not necessarily very objective or lucid. When a player gives arguments, we have to be able to tell him "I can see where you want to go, but if you do this kind of things, it can raise these or those problems". All players have diverging interests. The ATP board must be sure today that they make the best choices for the tennis of the next 5 to 10 years".

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