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post #196 of 207 (permalink) Old 10-29-2012, 04:14 AM
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We even know that all of the players present in the WTF had agreed on the 2-year ranking system ... except Federer.

Really? I find it hard to believe that all the players except for Federer are so unreasonable.


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Besides, clearly the ATP board wanted that decision becasue it was an easy and lazy one : you had one more week in the off-season without needing to cancel any tournament.

My guess is that the ATP officials wanted that change but not the players. Especially not the top players.

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The tournament organizers in ATP are so stupid TBH, in WTA they will still adjust the draw by this time, but ATP organizers are so stubborn and will give a person who lost a bye. Lol at Hanescu 2nd straight LL.
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Re: WWW Paris Masters + Main draw discussion

Last year there was a lot of chatter here about a $1.6 million bonus for Djokovic if he played Paris (it would've been $2 million if he had played all of the Masters but he had already skipped Shanghai).

So what is the deal with the ATP bonus pool this year? Or did they scrap it?

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On the topic, I saw Murray and Djokovic playing live in PAris last two years,

and I think this tournament is well fit for Murray.

He also has a good draw then I voted for him.

That said, Djokovic looked very much in-form in Asia, not at all like two previous years.
Murray is a lot more prone to early round upsets, especially after a bit of a break between tournaments. But if they meet in the finals (which for a number of reasons I don't think is likely) I give Murray the edge.

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The favorites are Berdych, Tsonga, Murray, less probably Djokovic.
  1. Berdych has a really good draw now, having reached SF in all tournies since Cincinnati, Tokyo excepted, and won a title one week ago, beating MTF Most Overrated Player™.
  2. Tsonga has a rigged draw, as usual, to allow him to win the only big title he will ever have in his career, full of unconcerned spaniards, only a Del Potro or Djokovic in SF could show up.
  3. Murray has a easy draw, now that Fed is in the airplane to London. But London is so important to him, why bother taking all risks in Paris?
  4. Djokovic has an ugly draw, but he is world best player so it doesnt truly matters. The point is he wants to win something big before year-end because he lost the Olympic Games, US Open, Davis Cup and WTF is the only "big thing" still ahead of him. So if a big server annoys him too much in Paris, it will be "asta la vista".

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I just kinda feel that nobody really cares about Paris that much. I think Murray, if driven enough, has very good chances of winning it. Nole might even tank early (hope I'm wrong but it's just my feeling). agree with Ben D that Tsonga and Berdych might benefit in Paris. we need some new winners anyway.
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Last year there was a lot of chatter here about a $1.6 million bonus for Djokovic if he played Paris (it would've been $2 million if he had played all of the Masters but he had already skipped Shanghai).

So what is the deal with the ATP bonus pool this year? Or did they scrap it?
it's the same, absolutely nothing has changed.

Actually, when people say that Federer is allowed thanks to his age to skip from mandatory tournaments, the only thing it means is that it will not cost him the bonus pool. As far as rankings are concerned, this allowance changes absolutely nothing, it only changes the money concern.

For youngsters, it's different and it's possible that Murray decided to play Paris rather than Basel to get his share of the bonus pool.

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Really? I find it hard to believe that all the players except for Federer are so unreasonable.
it was not unreasonable at all : it was in their pure interest, a 2-year ranking system is better to protect the ranking you have already managed to get, that's also why Stakhovsky wanted it : to porotect his participation in slams then in their prize money.

And Nadal is not "unreasonable"

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Slamray will win this. He hasn't won a masters title yet this year and with this being his last chance to change that he'll want to win here*. And we all know that what Slamray wants Slamray gets.


* Unless he tanks in preparation for WTF
I'm not going to argue with that, but do you think it would be possible to get him to want to take advantage of MPs next time?
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Really? I find it hard to believe that all the players except for Federer are so unreasonable.
Most have their own interests closest to heart, I guess. Two-year ranking is an advantage for established and declining players and a disadvantage to new players and up-and-comers. Federer has regularly sided with the last group seemingly against his own interests. One reason, I believe, is comparability. Fed loves the history of the game. Different ranking systems makes for more difficult comparisons between generations. And, of course, he is self-confident enough not to care that much about safeguarding his ranking.
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Most have their own interests closest to heart, I guess. Two-year ranking is an advantage for established and declining players and a disadvantage to new players and up-and-comers. Federer has regularly sided with the last group seemingly against his own interests. One reason, I believe, is comparability. Fed loves the history of the game. Different ranking systems makes for more difficult comparisons between generations. And, of course, he is self-confident enough not to care that much about safeguarding his ranking.
and Fed is old, is more disinterested in the present and has more view on the past of the Tour and also on the future how he will leave it, that's a common state of mind when one has achieved enough and gets near to retirement.

To say the truth, I think that for his own good, he should have left the players' council presidency in the tough present moments (he's been heavily criticized in France for asking too much on the prize money request for instance, as if it was his personal demand, and he's also been criticized by Stakhovsky and others for the opposite reason that he didn't do enough in their eyes), but he didn't resign, which proves that he feels he's entitled/has a duty to do something. That's why old guys are sometimes good in organizations, like Ljubicic, Nieminen as well, Luczak as well in the previous council.

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The favorites are Berdych, Tsonga, Murray, less probably Djokovic.
  1. Berdych has a really good draw now, having reached SF in all tournies since Cincinnati, Tokyo excepted, and won a title one week ago, beating MTF Most Overrated Player™.
  2. Tsonga has a rigged draw, as usual, to allow him to win the only big title he will ever have in his career, full of unconcerned spaniards, only a Del Potro or Djokovic in SF could show up.
  3. Murray has a easy draw, now that Fed is in the airplane to London. But London is so important to him, why bother taking all risks in Paris?
  4. Djokovic has an ugly draw, but he is world best player so it doesnt truly matters. The point is he wants to win something big before year-end because he lost the Olympic Games, US Open, Davis Cup and WTF is the only "big thing" still ahead of him. So if a big server annoys him too much in Paris, it will be "asta la vista".

I see MTF Most Overrated Player™ winning this having played 0 top guy to the title.
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