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You're just jealous that Del Potro is one of the greatest tactical minds on the ATP tour (only below the likes of Golubev, Rosol, Gulbis and co.), while Murray is a mindless pusher
Right, that must be it. I'm definitely jealous of players who have the equivalent brain cell count of a packet of chips.

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It was not a choke from Federer, it was tactical genius from Del Potro. He actually has more than one way of playing tennis, while all Murray can do is mindlessly push/retrieve as many balls as possible. That might work in the current slow court era, but as soon as the courts become a bit faster his lack of a plan B is fully exposed
I guess you have nothing to discuss here, so you're just being sarcastic? Fine.

Yeah, you're completely right. That last sentence is entirely correct. The current slow era is what makes Andy win all the time. That must be why his worst surface is clay while he's great on hard/grass (the faster surfaces just so you know) especially the faster tournaments. Yeah, that's it. These slow surfaces really help Andy.

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get over it

nole got his ass handed to him fair and square by muzzah
get over what bud? not sure aboout 'Nole got his ass handed' but I'm happy for Andy, great win for him. just can't understand this Sap kid. I'm trying tho, lol.
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Re: Why are ballbashers more highly regarded than tacticians like Murray?

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Andy is a tactician, whether you like it or not. If you think he's a pusher, that's your problem.
see, this is the crux of your problem: you act and respond like a insolent brat.

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How the fuck can you dispute that?


It's necessary to separate Murray from 'tactician', if you want an answer to the question in the title.
If you don't want to separate that, then you don't really want your question answered, you're just being a notorious asshat.
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Right, that must be it. I'm definitely jealous of players who have the equivalent brain cell count of a packet of chips.


I guess you have nothing to discuss here, so you're just being sarcastic? Fine.

Yeah, you're completely right. That last sentence is entirely correct. The current slow era is what makes Andy win all the time. That must be why his worst surface is clay while he's great on hard/grass (the faster surfaces just so you know) especially the faster tournaments. Yeah, that's it. These slow surfaces really help Andy.
The poing behind the sarcasm is that Del Potro is as much of a tactician as Murray ie none of them are tacticians. There is exactly as much thoughts/tactics put into a strategy based on power as there is on one based on retrieving as many balls as possible.
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The poing behind the sarcasm is that Del Potro is as much of a tactician as Murray ie none of them are tacticians. There is exactly as much thoughts/tactics put into a strategy based on power as there is on one based on retrieving as many balls as possible.
Del Potro is not even close to as much of a tactician as Boreray.
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get over what bud? not sure aboout 'Nole got his ass handed' but I'm happy for Andy, great win for him. just can't understand this Sap kid. I'm trying tho, lol.
You should give up then. From your posts, I can tell you don't understand much of anything so trying to understand me won't work.
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see, this is the crux of your problem: you act and respond like a insolent brat.
When what I have to reply to is, for the most part, nonsense, it deserves the response it gets.

As I said, if something is garbage, it's treated as such.
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How the fuck can you dispute that?
Perhaps because he's not a pusher and anyone who says so is wrong? You don't need to call him a tactician if you don't want to (he is though), but he is very obviously not a pusher.
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It's necessary to separate Murray from 'tactician', if you want an answer to the question in the title.
If you don't want to separate that, then you don't really want your question answered, you're just being a notorious asshat.
Laughing at the suggestion that Andy is a tactician is insulting. He's nothing but a tactician.
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The poing behind the sarcasm is that Del Potro is as much of a tactician as Murray ie none of them are tacticians. There is exactly as much thoughts/tactics put into a strategy based on power as there is on one based on retrieving as many balls as possible.
And, what a surprise, you're wrong. Don't even compare Del Potro's "tactics" to Andy's. That's insulting and nonsense.

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Re: Why are ballbashers more highly regarded than tacticians like Murray?

oh dear Sap, I'm trying to understand you so much but you are a puzzle to me. I'm old enough to be your father. still can't get it, lol. I'd love to know how you get so sophisticated and smart. do you live with your parents in some great looking basement? Who pays for your internet? Are you still a virgin? maybe a bit fat? pls let us know. too bored today here. I'd love to know more about your fantastic life.
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oh dear Sap, I'm trying to understand you so much but you are a puzzle to me. I'm old enough to be your father. still can't get it, lol. I'd love to know how you get so sophisticated and smart. do you live with your parents in some great looking basement? Who pays for your internet? Are you still a virgin? maybe a bit fat? pls let us know. too bored today here. I'd love to know more about your fantastic life.
This is not a Q&A thread. If you have questions, there's a thread in non-tennis you can use.

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Re: Why are ballbashers more highly regarded than tacticians like Murray?

I don't know Sap, I love watching Murray with all that variety and stuff. They don't know what real tennis is

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Re: Why are ballbashers more highly regarded than tacticians like Murray?

It's a shame that people don't see Murray's game for what it really is. It's not as good as Roger's, sure, but it's one of he best out there. He has all the skills, all the variety, great power when needed, superb defense, a great first serve and he's smart on court. His game is great to watch.

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But he doesn't have a huge FH and his BH's attacking ability seems to have declined/regressed.


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Hey Sapeod do you think all of us here are saying Murray is a pusher for fun?If every single living person on this forum says he is a pusher then he is a pusher
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It's a shame that people don't see Murray's game for what it really is. It's not as good as Roger's, sure, but it's one of he best out there. He has all the skills, all the variety, great power when needed, superb defense, a great first serve and he's smart on court. His game is great to watch.
Yeah I always thought Murray had the game to win a slam. It was just a question of whether he could handle it mentally. Clowns of this forum said his fh is not good enough or his second serve Shows how much they know about the game
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Hey Sapeod do you think all of us here are saying Murray is a pusher for fun?If every single living person on this forum says he is a pusher then he is a pusher
He's not a pusher. He hits flat and hits winners. Also has a big first serve and can actually volley. And he is a smart player. Dull is a pusher. No game plan. Just moonballs, retrieves, and waits for errors. No intelligence in the way he plays whatsoever.
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Because when a ballbasher is on, it's spectacular. When a pusher is on, it's good at best.
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