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Re: Toni: "When facing Roger the idea was always to slow down the points"

shocking information

it's still fraudurer's fault for losing to pocahontas so many times even though he was the better player. no excuses from the fedtards here. fedmug got owned by a moonballer. that alone should exclude him from any GOAT discussion.

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Never said anything like that, clown.

But H2H against his biggest rival, puts his entire tennis career into context. Noserer never had real competition and people trying to claim that 2003-2005 when mugs like Phillipousis/Johannson made slam finals, Grandpa Agassi still a slam threat and 2006-2007 (baby Nadal/Djoker not in prime, Blake/Baldenko/Robredo top 5 ) were strong eras are delusional.

The new generation of atheletes who can engage in brutal 50 stroke rallies without making an unforced error. Guys who can retrieve impossible shots and hit with 5000 rpm forehands. They are the future, not the ballerina archaic style of tennis Noserer used to succeed in weak era where he would face monsters like Gasquet and Grosjean in slam semis.
mate do you really have to spew this bile in every Nadal/Federer related thread? Do you feel like ClayDeath left a void that needed to be filled? Are you so insecure about Nadal's greatness that you have to discredit every single other player in the world?

Federer is good, Nadal is good. Nadal matches up good to Federer. End of discussion, stop acting like an infant.

OT: I actually enjoy Toni's honesty. Personally I would not resort to stalling tactics, but it worked out fine, so I can see why he would be proud of them.
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Berdych made a slam final beating Federer along the way, plus he's a better/more talented player.

What about Robredo and Blake in top 5? Shuttler in slam final? Roddick in multiple slam finals? Guys who are supposedly talented ballstrikers such as Nalbandian and Baldenko have a single GS final between them despite being top 3 players. Hewitt's USO 2006 performance? Headcase playboy Safin?

Really, if you take a close look you'll quickly find that some Olderer fans are instantly bringing up teenage Nadal's losses, mostly in best of 3 events as their "argument" - which is completely irrelevant, considering he was a CC specialist during Olderer's prime and was prone to defeats off clay.

I have to ask again, did Olderer have REAL rivals off clay before late 2007? And by rival I mean someone who could beat him on GS stage semi regularly?
Baldenko still has winning record against Rafa, roddick retired with a winning record against Djokovic. Blake, mugzalez kicked Rafa's ass, and I'm not buying your "he was just a teen back then" (which btw he wasn't when he was straight-setted by mugzalez). Rafa has been a grand slam champion since 2005, if the field was so weak and with his record against Fed, he should have won calendar grand slams from 2005 to 2007, which he didn't and got his ass kicked in gs quarterfinals in the supposed "weak era".

the surface specialist argument can work both ways: if Rafa was a cc specialist during Fed's prime, you can also say Nadal won the majority of his RG titles playing against a fast court specialist, which makes this one the weakest clay era ever.

Also, your strong/Spartan era claims have definitely failed when a 31 y.o. past-prime Daddy Olderer got his #1 ranking back when his "Spartan rivals" are in their prime.

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Re: Toni: "When facing Roger the idea was always to slow down the points"

More hard courts are 100% wrong. More Djokovic is 100% wrong. One year ranking system is 100% wrong. Player's council is 100% wrong. Time limit is 100% wrong. Rosol is 100% wrong. That I'll never be able to equal Federer is 100% wrong. I quit and go home, no?
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Re: Toni: "When facing Roger the idea was always to slow down the points"

tell us something new, Toni
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Re: Toni: "When facing Roger the idea was always to slow down the points"

Federer will try to play at a Higher tempo and Nadal,Djokovic and Murray will try playing at a Slower One.. Whats New.
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Baldenko still has winning record against Rafa, roddick retired with a winning record against Djokovic. Blake, mugzalez kicked Rafa's ass, and I'm not buying your "he was just a teen back then" (which btw he wasn't when he was straight-setted by mugzalez). Rafa has been a grand slam champion since 2005, if the field was so weak and with his record against Fed, he should have won calendar grand slams from 2005 to 2007, which he didn't and got his ass kicked in gs quarterfinals in the supposed "weak era".

Also, your strong/Spartan era claims have definitely failed when a 31 y.o. past-prime Daddy Olderer got his #1 ranking back when his "Spartan rivals" are in their prime.


So in your words players don't have peaks/primes? Why wasn't Noserer winning slams at 18-20?

Once again you bring up an argument of how a particular player matched up against Nadal not in his prime. It has nothing to do with him. I am bringing up Federer's lack of competition on GS level. Were the guys I mentioned good? Yes. Were they ever a threat? No (apart from that AO semi in 2005). Thus the overinflated records of 10 slam finals in a row and 23GS semis in a row.

I asked Fedtards a legit question and I will repeat it:

Did he have a strong rival off clay during his dominant years (Roddicks/Hewitts/ don't count they are more like his personal jesters)?
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Re: Toni: "When facing Roger the idea was always to slow down the points"

You don't say Toni?

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Translation: "When facing Roger the idea was always to apply as much gamesmanship as humanly possible. Whether it means pushing, moonballing, taking more than the allowed time between points, faking injury and taking ITO's at crucial junctures in the match, receiving coaching from me in the stands, grunting, anything aside from playing fair tennis and letting the best man win. Because lets face it, Federer is way better than Rafa and we also want our moment in the spotlight."
This.

Basically it's a public admission they do whatever they can (or are allowed to) to break the rules. Well, it's nothing new here, but at least finally they admit it. How could Nadal win the sportsmanship award in 2010?

Fortunately Rosol studied all Nadal's dirty tricks, and saved tennis with a superb display at wimbledon. After that he felt his mission was accomplished.

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Once again you bring up an argument of how a particular player matched up against Nadal not in his prime. It has nothing to do with him. I am bringing up Federer's lack of competition on GS level. Were the guys I mentioned good? Yes. Were they ever a threat? No (apart from that AO semi in 2005). Thus the overinflated records of 10 slam finals in a row and 23GS semis in a row.

Did he have a strong rival off clay during his dominant years (Roddicks/Hewitts/ don't count they are more like his personal jesters)?
Those in glass houses should not throw stones. Federers opponents in his slams won were equally merited on the particular surface he beat them on, as Nadals opponents in RG have been. Are you in favor of discounting Nadal's seven RGs citing lack of opposition? Beating grass and HC champions on clay is no more an achievement than beating Usain Bolt on the 400 meters, no?
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Nadull and the mafia family have always been scums. Nothing new here.
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So in your words players don't have peaks/primes? Why wasn't Noserer winning slams at 18-20?

Once again you bring up an argument of how a particular player matched up against Nadal not in his prime. It has nothing to do with him. I am bringing up Federer's lack of competition on GS level. Were the guys I mentioned good? Yes. Were they ever a threat? No (apart from that AO semi in 2005). Thus the overinflated records of 10 slam finals in a row and 23GS semis in a row.

I asked Fedtards a legit question and I will repeat it:

Did he have a strong rival off clay during his dominant years (Roddicks/Hewitts/ don't count they are more like his personal jesters)?
Fed had another 8 consecutive finals between 2008 and 2010, just for you to know.

Who was Rafa's rival on clay? An overrated, overhyped ballerina who was a fast court specialist? Thus the overinflated records of 7 RG titles and the streak of 81 wins on clay, not to mention his multiple masters titles on clay.

You see what I did here?

8th day of July 2012: 7-time Wimbledon champion!

Once upon a time there was a myth about strong and weak eras. On this glorious day the clownery was eventually unmasked: 30 y.o. past-prime daddy Fed became #1 once again in the supposed strong "Spartan" era with his rivals at their peak.
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Fed had another 8 consecutive finals between 2008 and 2010, just for you to know.

Who was Rafa's rival on clay? An overrated, overhyped ballerina who was a fast court specialist? Thus the overinflated records of 7 RG titles and the streak of 81 wins on clay, not to mention his multiple masters titles on clay.

You see what I did here?
Djokovic since 2007. Puerta was good in 2005. Olderer had one of the best seasons on clay in 2006.

I never said Olderer was a bad player, btw. I said he lacked a true rival off clay until late 2007 (not surprisingly he became monofed and then Olderer according to his fans).
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Puerta was good in 2005


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Djokovic since 2007. Puerta was good in 2005. Olderer had one of the best seasons on clay in 2006.

I never said Olderer was a bad player, btw. I said he lacked a true rival off clay until late 2007 (not surprisingly he became monofed and then Olderer according to his fans).
I never said Nadal was a bad player, but he has lacked a true rival on clay for his entire career. Djokovic? Please! 12-2 is similar to the Fed-Roddick H2H on HC. And Roddick has won more on HC than Djokovic on clay. So your opinion of Djokovic as a clay rival for Nadal should no more than equal your opinion of Roddick as a HC rival for Fed.
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