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Re: Is Rafael Nadal Parera an underachiever?

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On the contrary he is an overachiever. Has won much more than he should have and has won some tournaments on hardcourt only due to the "excellent" services of the ATP regarding surface speed.
Oh, please, Almighty Fedtard, enlighten us how many tournaments Rafa SHOULD HAVE WON. Who the heck are you to decide what a player deserves to win?

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Oh, please, Almighty Fedtard, enlighten us how many tournaments Rafa SHOULD HAVE WON. Who the heck are you to decide what a player deserves to win?
He would not have won several of the slams he won if it hadn't been for ATP slowing the surfaces down.

Federer will win another grand slam.
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He would not have won several of the slams he won if it hadn't been for ATP slowing the surfaces down.
And you know this how exactly?

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And you know this how exactly?
Because Nadal has consistently struggled on fast courts, besides the few exceptions. Also, it's simple fact that the courts have slowed down considerably. It's his biggest help but also his biggest enemy, he needs the slower speeds to thrive yet they damage his knees.

I like the guy but you gotta see that at least.

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nadal's playstyle -> slam wins and nadal's playstyle -> dodgy knees so slam wins and dodgy knees are a bundle. You can't have one without the other.

No dodgy knees means nadal wins a lot less slams. nadal's tactic is to tire his opponents and force them into errors. It's almost like he makes the opponent lose the match instead of him winning it.

Lucky for Roger talent doesn't equate physical problems. Too bad nadal is severely lacking on that department.
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Because Nadal has consistently struggled on fast courts, besides the few exceptions. Also, it's simple fact that the courts have slowed down considerably. It's his biggest help but also his biggest enemy, he needs the slower speeds to thrive yet they damage his knees.

I like the guy but you gotta see that at least.

Grass is a better surface for Rafa than slow HC as seen by his performances at WI compared to AO/IW/Miami.
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Re: Is Rafael Nadal Parera an underachiever?

Nope. He has not underachieved at all. By 26, Federer had 12 slams, Borg had 11 slams and Sampras had 10 slams.


The top 4 player that has underachieved is Djokovic by far and to a lesser extent Andy Murray losing his first 4 slam finals. Djokovic was AWOL from AO 2008 to AO 2011. Wasted too much time.
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Biggest myth in tennis. There are plenty of guys out there who do more running than Rafa, and yet somehow they don't have health issues with their knees. Strange right?

It's just bad luck.
He's had years to try and adapt his style and he has failed to do so. Everyone knew he had dodgy knees years and years ago.

The only person he has to blame is himself.
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c) except for the biggest miss of 2012 at AO he's a mental giant
Meaning he's a mental giant, except when he's not? How about loss to Verdasco in Madrid? Or to Rosol at Wimbledon? All that was this year.

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Nadull is lucky to have any slams. In the early 1900's, the French Championships were restricted to French players only and he would have had no chance at the title. This obvious rule-bending in Nadal's favour should not go unnoticed and traditionalists are advised to submit a petition to the French Tennis Federation.

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Re: Is Rafael Nadal Parera an underachiever?

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Because Nadal has consistently struggled on fast courts, besides the few exceptions. Also, it's simple fact that the courts have slowed down considerably. It's his biggest help but also his biggest enemy, he needs the slower speeds to thrive yet they damage his knees.

I like the guy but you gotta see that at least.
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Grass is a better surface for Rafa than slow HC as seen by his performances at WI compared to AO/IW/Miami.
Your statement is incorrect.

Your statement is incorrect. nadal has played several 5 setters, losing this year in the 2nd round, in the early rounds of wimbledon. I can recall haase, petzschner and soderling.

Why?! Because the grass is still "real" grass in the 1st week. As the tournament goes on and the grass turns into clay then nadal excels. If any of the 3 guys I mentioned above had some balls, a la Rosol, nadal wouldn't have won Wimbledon.

nadal excels at clay and it is easy to understand why he excels at wimbledon 2nd week.

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It would be a laugh watching nadal get owned by journeymen in Wimbledon with real grass.

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Nadal is a glorified clay specialist. The homogenisation of the surfaces has helped him though, so if anything he is an overachiever.

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Re: Is Rafael Nadal Parera an underachiever?

Of course not. No player who wins as much as Nadal can ever be an underachiever.
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2001- a GOAT was born, upsetting the 7-time champion in dramatic fashion. The new type of grass introduced at Wimbledon this year had no effect upon the result.

In 2008 Nadull fluked his first Wimbledon from slow grass & dark clouds over his opponents side of the court. He had also benefited from the selective darkening in the 2005 RG SF although the GOAT eyeballs had adapted by the 2011 RG SF where there were no complaints.

In 2009 however Wimbledon grass was sped back up to 2003-2005 levels and Federer finally recieved a worthy opponent in Andy Roddick.

The grass was slow as molasses again in 2010, enabling the topspin moonballer Tomas Berdych to upset the deserving champion and reach the finals.

Throughout all this, the speed of the clay courts has never been altered, and the court speed in RG 2009 was identical to that of the 1995 tournament.
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