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Re: Murray's career from now on...

Sapeod, you're talking about confidence as if it's the only thing that matters. Federer is super dangerous when confident because he has a super aggressive (or used to have it ) style of play and is the best ever at taking opponents apart. Djokovic is super dangerous because he can play aggressive tennis as well as grind you away.

Murray is good but we are yet to see how much confidence can actually help him. It's about sustaining a level and he has proven he's not capable of doing that for an extended period of time at the highest (top 4) level. He may do it but it's far from certain.


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His realistic goals are

#1 ranking (for at least one week)
Wimbledon
A second slam to become a multi-slam winner

He's no Fed, Nadal or Djoker, so he won't be wrestling control of the tennis spectrum. One slam win was amazing enough. Whatever happens, his proper fans we'll always have that moment to look back on

Following his career from here on in is going to be stress-free, fun and intriguing.

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if big 3 are at their best it's always up to them.Murray fluked 1 Slam YAY
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Andy isn't dominating anytime soon. He should win a few more slams though

Wimbledon would be amazing, think he will win it at some point, he's excellent on grass

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I don't think he can beat any 2 of Joker/Fed/Nadal to take a slam.

So I predict that he will be settling for semis and perhaps a runner-up in 2013.

As much as I wish it weren't true, I don't think he had a "major breakthrough" at USO12.

I think he would have lost to Fed in the semis.

Minus the wind, he would have lost to Joker in the finals (how can Joker be such a bad wind player?).
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Murray, at his absolute best, dominates Nadal on hardcourt.
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He does the same to Djokovic, although he doesn't dominate him.
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Federer? Same thing, on hardcourt at least.
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On hardcourt, Murray is better than all of them when he's at his peak and the confidence he'll get from the US Open win will allow him to mellow out and play near that peak more often.
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The ripple effect has started I see.
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The ripple effect has started I see.
Disagree with you on Nadal, when Muzza's in prime form on hard courts the match up with Rafito is firmly on the Scot's racket.

The other two are very debatable especially Federer (all Mur-Fed match ups are in Fed's hands IMO)

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Disagree with you on Nadal, when Muzza's in prime form on hard courts the match up with Rafito is firmly on the Scot's racket.

The other two are very debatable especially Federer (all Mur-Fed match ups are in Fed's hands IMO)
Fair comment, but people need to still understand Nadal's HC resume is still better than Murray's. Murray is good, but let's not forget he needed a lot of luck and it wasn't really his skill that brought him victory - his mindset was top class that day (although he did wander in the 3rd and 4th when he got destroyed). I think Nadal in the last few years (who was only bested by Djokovic who was a god last year) would get the upper hand more times than not in the slams. People forget how good Nadal was from 2010 - AO 2012 - where the only guy who could stop him was Djokovic (although Murray did win at AO).
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Fair comment, but people need to still understand Nadal's HC resume is still better than Murray's. Murray is good, but let's not forget he needed a lot of luck and it wasn't really his skill that brought him victory - his mindset was top class that day (although he did wander in the 3rd and 4th when he got destroyed). I think Nadal in the last few years (who was only bested by Djokovic who was a god last year) would get the upper hand more times than not in the slams. People forget how good Nadal was from 2010 - AO 2012 - where the only guy who could stop him was Djokovic (although Murray did win at AO).
It's the match up between them I'm talking about. Murray's two handed CC BH is lethal against Nadal on hard courts and puts the Spaniard on the ropes. Usually Andy's FH has to have a good day but in his best wins over Rafa (USO, AO 10, Tokyo) he took the match completely out of Nadal's hands, who had no answer or a plan B.

Nadal's HC CV is still greater though, 2 slams is better than 1.

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I don't think he can beat any 2 of Joker/Fed/Nadal to take a slam.

So I predict that he will be settling for semis and perhaps a runner-up in 2013.

As much as I wish it weren't true, I don't think he had a "major breakthrough" at USO12.

I think he would have lost to Fed in the semis.

Minus the wind, he would have lost to Joker in the finals (how can Joker be such a bad wind player?).
So this never happened?




That win has given Andy the only thing that was stopping him in the first place, confidence. He will be more relaxed and under less pressure next year and that will really help him. Three slams is very possible.

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overachieving one fluke slam wonder.
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overachieving one fluke slam wonder.
Wrong. Andy is no Potro.

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So this never happened?




That win has given Andy the only thing that was stopping him in the first place, confidence. He will be more relaxed and under less pressure next year and that will really help him. Three slams is very possible.

Sorry, but the reason Murray lost to Federer in al those finals wasn't simply because of a lack of confidence. Murray can be outplayed, in fact, this slam wins was one of the luckiest and unconvincing slam wins I've seen from anyone. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic playing amazing tennis can still take out Murray even if he is confident. Lets not start thinking a confident Murray is unstoppable.
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del potro beat nadal and federer to reach the finals (in their prime)



who did murray beat? oh yea, djokovic... in hurricane like conditions.
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Wrong. Andy is no Potro.
A Del Potro who has missed over a year and a half of tennis due to injuries and beat Federer and Nadal back to back to claim his slam win. JMDP didn't have to go through Berdych, Raonic and a shaky Djokovic to win his slam. If you can win a slam in an injury plagued career, then fair play.
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