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Players who occupy uncharacteristically high positions in the rankings?

I know that there was probably a thread or two about this topic before, but I decided to open a new one:


Have you ever thought that there is a player that is sort of useless to the ATP tour? He doesnt bring anything to the table, over performs in challenger and MM events and under performs in grand slams and masters? Who are these players, and why in your opinion they are ranked so high?


Oh, and also- This isnt a topic about Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Murray or any of the top 10. This is created for the average top 100 player.


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Melzer- Hasnt done anything since Memphis and except Memphis. Barely got through round 1 in most tournaments of the year, has been in terrible form since the start of the year. Deserves a top 80 ranking if you ask me, nothing more.

Andujar- How he keeps a top 40 ranking for so long is beyond me. A completely average player with an average clay game, while a decent yet choking player like Malisse is fluctuating in the 50-100 ranking.

Soeda- Nothing to say really. Watched him in davis cup- Just terrible. Doesnt deserve a top 150 spot.

Lorenzi- Needless to say, the tour doesnt need him. Players like Petzschner, Sela, Llodra, Gulbis would easily defeat him in straights and they arent even in the top 100.

I could go on and on with the examples of Granollers, Matosevic, Troicki, Ito, but they all are average players and can play average tennis at times, unlike the mugs I mentioned above.


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Re: Players who occupy uncharacteristically high positions in the rankings?

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Have you ever thought that there is a player that is sort of useless to the ATP tour? He doesnt bring anything to the table, over performs in challenger and MM events and under performs in grand slams and masters? Who are these players, and why in your opinion they are ranked so high?
By that definition, almost anyone outside top 4 is useless.

“There’s so many athletes, tennis players around the world,” he continued, trying to put his life into some kind of perspective, “they want to be the best in what they do. They want to succeed. Many of them, they don’t succeed in the end. I’m fortunate to have this opportunity and succeed.”
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Re: Players who occupy uncharacteristically high positions in the rankings?

No, you didnt understand. Ill give you an example: Benneteau does not suit the list, he can trouble the top players and not go out in the first rounds of a slam. Fognini has a Roland Garros QF. Klizan just appeared on the tour and doesnt deserve a "useless" tag near his name. Garcia-Lopez defeated Nadal in a MM event. Those guys are all top 100 players, and nowhere close to the top 20, yet they are still not mugs at all.

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Ito takes the cake.

Melzer is a good player in terrible form. He should be top 40 if he can find his groove again.
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Re: Players who occupy uncharacteristically high positions in the rankings?

None of them.

Klizan had climbed in the rankings in challengers "oh what a shit" then people saw him in a slam and said "oh well he's good"

to climb when you're not known, you need to play through challengers.

Besides, I'm sure we're going to read about poor Asian challengers but well, Lu and even Soeda also do well in other tournaments.

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Re: Players who occupy uncharacteristically high positions in the rankings?

You are right about Ito, but he will probably drop down the rankings soon. He doesnt win ATP matches of ten like the players I mentioned.

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Ferrer and Monaco take the cake here.

Why are they ranked so high? For the same reason every player ranked above his real level is: vulturing.
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Ferrer and Monaco take the cake here.

Why are they ranked so high? For the same reason every player ranked above his real level is: vulturing.
Such a poor attempt at trolling. It's not good enough Jorge Mendes.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Mostly the players I read are players who haven't emerged for long.

And the players who are underranked are players whose ranking has decreased because they got old or anything.

You just need to get used to them

What would people have said about Rosol one or two years ago ?

Rosol had been struggling in challengers for years, and Dodig even worse. When they beat Nadal they became gods of MTF

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Ferrer and Monaco take the cake here.

Why are they ranked so high? For the same reason every player ranked above his real level is: vulturing.
Lol, why nobody else does that then? Sounds easy, go and do some vulturing and you can get as high as #5. I bet many guys would love to be #5 - why aren't they doing that then? Could it be the vulturing is the best kept secret of the ATP?

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Ferrer and Monaco take the cake here.

Why are they ranked so high? For the same reason every player ranked above his real level is: vulturing.
This topic isnt about Ferrer, or any other top 10 player. Besides, Ferrer is a solid top 5 player and is much better than BirdBrain, Clownga, or Mugtro.

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Lol, why nobody else does that then? Sounds easy, go and do some vulturing and you can get as high as #5. I bet many guys would love to be #5 - why aren't they doing that then? Could it be the vulturing is the best kept secret of the ATP?
Integrity. And competitive spirit too.

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Ferrer is a top 5 player
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Raonic at 15 is a joke.
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Integrity. And competitive spirit too.

Jokes aside, whats wrong with vulturing? I dont understand. Blame the system, not Ferrer. Its not like Ferrer is winning Wimbledons left and right, he wins south American clay 500, its not his fault Nadull chooses not to go there. Why cant Tsonga win Metz and Marseille? That would make the same amount of points as Ferrer does, at 500.

Why does Berdych mug out in the first round of a slam each year? I know that Berdych isnt a clay courter but to take 5 sets against Mugaco in davis cup to get a hard fought win is embarrasing. Monaco doesnt deserve a top 10 spot, but is he a solid top 15 spot? I think so.

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Integrity. And competitive spirit too.
Slam semi and quarter finals don't help either, nice one Mendes.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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