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Re: Can Tsonga turn around his H2H with Djokovic?

Are you serious? It's weird how Tsonga is almost never at his best when playing top 4 players. The far more likely conclusion would be that those players are not at their best when Tsonga beats them. But maybe that's too far fetched.
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Re: Can Tsonga turn around his H2H with Djokovic?

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Are you serious? It's weird how Tsonga is almost never at his best when playing top 4 players. The far more likely conclusion would be that those players are not at their best when Tsonga beats them. But maybe that's too far fetched.
It's not weird at all. If Tsonga had the ability to always be at his best, he'd be in the top 4 himself. As it stands, on average Jo's game is full of holes those players can exploit, namely the worst BH and ROS in the top 10.

The only logical conclusion is that those player's average/normal level is far superior to Tsonga, which is not exactly controversial.

Tsonga is still a matchup neither of them relishes because he can simply blow them off the court on any given day. Performances like vs Nadal at AO 2008 or the last three sets vs Federer at Wimbledon are very rare - if they were the norm, Tsonga would be #1 - but when they do happen there's very little the opponent can do to stop him. On those (rare) days where you can't extract cheap errors off Jo's BH or get tons of free holds due to Jo's horrendous ROS, good luck beating him.
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Re: Can Tsonga turn around his H2H with Djokovic?

Of course it's controversial. You underestimate the top 4 at their best. They could easily blow anyone off the court at any given day. Sadly, it is very rare to see two players play their very best Tennis in the same match.
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Of course it's controversial. You underestimate the top 4 at their best. They could easily blow anyone off the court at any given day. Sadly, it is very rare to see two players play their very best Tennis in the same match.
Federer yes. The other three, though, although great players, don't exactly win big matches by blowing anyone off the court, but on the basis of their consistency, fitness and defense, which to be fair are the most rewarded attributes in today's game/surfaces.

It's impossible to see two players play their very best tennis in the same match. By definition, if one players is playing his best tennis he's not allowing the other to play his.
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It has happened before. Maybe not necessarily in slams, but a few matches come to mind. Anyway, good for you that you have so much faith in your players.
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He was leading 5-2(!) and now Novak leads 7-5. It means something.
Tsonga can still win on occasions (FO 2012), but Djokovic will win arithmetically, like 3 to 1 during next years. Their career-end H2H should be like : Djokovic 16-8 Tsonga.

I think many Tsonga fans like Lenders try to find rational excuses for Tsongas repeated losses against top 4, this year most especially. Maybe there is only one reason : he is past his prime, and cant match them anymore. Look at Davydenko, Roddick, Nalbandian, who could think they were beating regularily top 4 few years ago


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Don't think so. Tsonga can beat Novak for sure, but on an average he has too many weaknesses Novak can exploit.



Disagree. When they're both playing their absolute best tennis, Tsonga is clearly better. Tsonga's 'peak' days are basically the game that took him deep in Slams many times and as high as world #5 + the backhand and return as weapons instead of huge liabilities. There's very little you can do to stop him when he plays like that, as Federer and Nadal discovered on separate occasions.

I think Novak will win most of their matches because on most days he will be able to expose Jo's shit BH and ROS. He's definitely the much better player of the two. Tsonga is simply unpredictable, he can blow Novak (or anyone) off the court on any given day, but can also easily fold meekly. It's a matchup Novak won't relish at all because even though he knows he will win most times, if Tsonga happens to be on one of those rare days where his game is really clicking there's little he can do to stop him.
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No. Tsonga' receive and 2nd service are horrible now. "New Djokovic" return is too good for Jo's 2nd service. Maybe, if Tso will serve >75% 1st he will has a chance. I guess, tsonga must rebuild his game, in 2012 he has too much troubles with movement speed.
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Consistency wise yes, but when they're both at their best, they are on the same level.
They played both at their best at AO-08, Nole won, but it was close, yes. Still I have a feeling that despite Djokovic`s excellent form that match was on Tso`s racquet and lack of experience cost him a victory.

I miss that Jo, he never played again on that rate.

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Clownga is a mindless ballbashing mug with no RoS and backhand. It's a massive surprise he won as many matches against Djoker as he did.
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Yes he can. The true question is, will he be able to do it?
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no. Djokovic is on a different level.
Not really, Tsonga has the game that Djokovic dislikes. Big server, can end points quickly and strong at the net. He should still be leading the H2H against Novak, but made some really poor decisions in some of their most recent matches, like that RG match. While Tsonga certainly could pick the H2H back up in his favor, but I think after several heartbreaks against Novak, it has become too mental for him now to perhaps overcome when it matters most.

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If Tsonga is ever going to fulfil it, he should win tomorrow - relatively quick court, he wasn`t tested strongly, but due to it saved energy and on the great run right now.

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Of course it's controversial. You underestimate the top 4 at their best. They could easily blow anyone off the court at any given day. Sadly, it is very rare to see two players play their very best Tennis in the same match.
Murray for instance??
Murray at his very best is not unbeatable whereas players like Federer, Tsonga,Del Potro or even Djoker clearly are
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