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Difference between Metz Q and St. Petersburg Q

The Q fields are very different.

Both are ATP 250 tournaments,
but the Quali Field in Metz is in a completely different league.

What are the reasons for that?
Is it really that far/ expensive to go to St. Petersburg?


Petersburg Quali has only 1 Top 500 player (!!);
while Metz Quali has many players between 100 and 200, No. 1 is Daniel Brands from Germany.

IMO there should be ranking system wo integrate the Quality of a tournaments field. The smaller tournaments should give points like
320 - Last Direct Acceptance
for the winner.

And in Qualies, there should be a rule for that as well. Like: 20 points if the advantage of players are between 100 and 200, and only 15 points for 200-300, 10 points for 300-400. Etc.

Each Top 500 could have taken a huge chance and play in St. Petersburg to try to qualify.

What do you think of a ranking system who creates individual amount of points for every small tournament?
Is that better (because more complicated) or is it just too complicated?
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Re: Difference between Metz Q and St. Petersburg Q

It's too complicated. The players won't be able to understand much of their ranking situation and there will always be questions asked to the ATP.
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Re: Difference between Metz Q and St. Petersburg Q

Perhaps the cost of visa and surely a more expensive plane ticket indeed put players off. They don't earn this much.

Also, maybe some think it's a fixed tournament and don't want to be there

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Re: Difference between Metz Q and St. Petersburg Q

Are you dumb or what? It's way easier to come into France than going to Russia, it is not hard to understand.

It simply happens. Nothing has to be changed. If some players desire to turn into Vultures, they have to make sacrifices, although this won't help their career's developpement.
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Re: Difference between Metz Q and St. Petersburg Q

I am pretty sure some players regret not going to St P.

I think obtaining a Visa is definitely the biggest issue here, while travelling to St P is slightly more expensive than going to Metz, flying in Europe is cheap so the better chances of making the MD would more than make up for it.
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Re: Difference between Metz Q and St. Petersburg Q

vultures gonna vulture
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Re: Difference between Metz Q and St. Petersburg Q

Your idea is actually not that stupid, the ranking system in Belgium works like this.
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Re: Difference between Metz Q and St. Petersburg Q

Your idea is actually not that stupid, the ranking system in Belgium works like this.
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St Pete's seems to be going down the tubes in recent years. Losing the back to back with Moscow surely only damages it more.
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I'd rather spend more money for St Pete as there are more hot womens
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Re: Difference between Metz Q and St. Petersburg Q

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I rather thought of buying a Visa and put it together with the flight expenses.
Furthermore, I think you can't fly to Petersburg from everywhere in Europe directly.
It's possible to get cheap tickets to every place in the world sometimes.
But most Europeans can reach Metz much easier and cheaper via several airports in France, Belgium, Germany.
Scandinavia, from where you can get to Petersburg easier maybe, is sparsely populated.
Russia, Ukraine, Belorus we are not talking about. (Some players from there are even in the Qualies.)
Moreover, there are several players from western countries in the main draw - in total contrast to the Qualifying draw.
So I think the main problem is money.
No, Visa is the main problem. If buying a Visa and travelling to Russia was easy, then surely more players would have played qualifying once they realized qualifying was easier than winning a Future in Rwanda? Flying to St Petersburg is not more than 250 euro from major European cities. In fact, getting to Metz requires more planning as the city does not have an international airport.

I visited St Petersburg once and getting the Visa was a true pain in the ass. I think the ATP should put pressure on tournament organizers in St P and Moscow to help players obtaining Visas on short notice.
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Re: Difference between Metz Q and St. Petersburg Q

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^^If obtaining the Visa is rather the issue than buying it, then why do many players from all over the world play the Petersburg main tournament, while hardly anybody came to the qualifying?

...As for the flight situation:
You can't fly to Petersburg from everywhere in Europe non-stop. So it's tendentially more expensive to get there than to Paris or Bruxelles.

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Each year there is at least one player who has to withdraw due to visa issues. If I'm not mistaken, this happened to Flavio not too long ago.

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its cheaper travelling to metz than to st petersburg, end of it

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Re: Difference between Metz Q and St. Petersburg Q

in this context:

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Re: Difference between Metz Q and St. Petersburg Q

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^^If obtaining the Visa is rather the issue than buying it, then why do many players from all over the world play the Petersburg main tournament, while hardly anybody came to the qualifying?

...As for the flight situation:
You can't fly to Petersburg from everywhere in Europe non-stop. So it's tendentially more expensive to get there than to Paris or Bruxelles.

Edit:

http://www.metz-nancy-lorraine.aeroport.fr/
The airport you link to is not international.

Anyway, even if it costs 150 or 200 euro more to travel to St Petersburg, the huge difference in expected prize money would more than make up for it.
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