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Should Nadal play the South American clay swing from now on?

by this i mean:

16/01 - Australian Open

30/01 - Vina del Mar (250, Chile)

13/02 - Sao Paulo (250, Brazil)

20/02 - Buenos Aires (250, Argentina)

27/02 - Acapulco (500, Mexico)

08/03 - Indian Wells (1000, USA)

21/03 - Miami (1000, USA)

then onto Monte Carlos (15/04). skip doubles at Indian Wells/Miami


i feel that this will maintain his sharpness, his game, and lessen the wear on his knees i.e prolong his career

or this is scheduling too smart and he'll chase the $ as usual?
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Re: Should Nadal play the South American clay swing from now on?

The only top player that should play in South American events is Mugray. That is the only chance he has of winning a clay title with his pathetic clay game.
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The only top player that should play in South American events is Mugray. That is the only chance he has of winning a clay title with his pathetic clay game.
embarrassing stuff

this has nothing to do with murray

it's about nadal
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Re: Should Nadal play the South American clay swing from now on?

Stupid topic deserves a stupid response. Nadal playing in SA clay events would be as embarrassing as Olderer playing in Basel. Nadal, thankfully, still has some pride left and won't participate in challenger events to inflate his title count.
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Re: Should Nadal play the South American clay swing from now on?

how charming to see this thread immediately derailed.

anyway, as for the original post, i think i've read others suggest the same that you have here. it might come down to whether he needs rest, full stop. that, as opposed to making up tournaments that perhaps he should skip later on in the year.

whatever the case may be, hopefully nadal will take a logical approach and do what's best for himself in the long term.

and that probably won't include playing doubles in march, which i failed to understand the point of this year.
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Stupid topic deserves a stupid response. Nadal playing in SA clay events would be as embarrassing as Olderer playing in Basel. Nadal, thankfully, still has some pride left and won't participate in challenger events to inflate his title count.

lol @ basel and the above tournaments being 'challenger events'. poor effort

don't be hating because nadal is atrocious on indoor courts for a multi-slam winning champion
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how charming to see this thread immediately derailed.

anyway, as for the original post, i think i've read others suggest the same that you have here. it might come down to whether he needs rest, full stop. that, as opposed to making up tournaments that perhaps he should skip later on in the year.

whatever the case may be, hopefully nadal will take a logical approach and do what's best for himself in the long term.

and that probably won't include playing doubles in march, which i failed to understand the point of this year.
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that schedule gives him plenty of rest for the big tournaments and keeps his game and knees sharp.

it worked in his breakthrough year (2005), and it would have certainly improved some years (2007, 2009, 2011)

nadal isn't known for being logical with his scheduling (rotterdam, doha, exos). playing doubles in march is pointless in any year, for a singles player
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Re: Should Nadal play the South American clay swing from now on?

He could play Buenos Aires and Acapulco and most likely walk away with 750 points. Then skip IW and Miami (which usually give him around the same amount of points in total). That way he bags 2 titles, saves his knees from hard courts and gets a good month and a half off following Acapulco.

The three problems with this are:
Pride (as TPD says),
Masters 1000s are supposed to be compulsory,
and the upside is lower (he 'could' get up to 2000 points from IW and Miami).
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Re: Should Nadal play the South American clay swing from now on?

The clay grind has destroyed Nadal's knees. Clay courters almost always have short careers. Hard court players last.
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He could play Buenos Aires and Acapulco and most likely walk away with 750 points. Then skip IW and Miami (which usually give him around the same amount of points in total). That way he bags 2 titles, saves his knees from hard courts and gets a good month and a half off following Acapulco.

The three problems with this are:
Pride (as TPD says),
Masters 1000s are supposed to be compulsory,
and the upside is lower (he 'could' get up to 2000 points from IW and Miami).
he has to put his pride aside if he wants to prolong his career

i think he should play IW and Miami, since he usually does well at both. and he can't yet officially skip them (600 matches for 1 skip, isn't it?)

as long as he doesn't play doubles on them, then AO, IW and Miami are the only hard courts he sees right through to Canada

as you said, it's a great chance for up to 1250 extra points
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The clay grind has destroyed Nadal's knees. Clay courters almost always have short careers. Hard court players last.
7 RG titles say it was worth it
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The clay grind has destroyed Nadal's knees. Clay courters almost always have short careers. Hard court players last.
no, playing needless hard court events and refusing to change his retrieving style (slight changes somewhat in the past couple of years) have destroyed his knees

don't tell me djokovic, monfils and murray will still be playing at 30. they're the absolute worst for sliding and doing tendon destroying movements on hard courts
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The clay grind has destroyed Nadal's knees. Clay courters almost always have short careers. Hard court players last.
Hard courts are much worse on players' joints.

The reason clay courters have shorter careers is that they have to play on hard on the tour. You see many level Challenger clay courters (Lorenzi, Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo) lasting for many years because they don't have to play on hard.

Tour level clay courters get screwed because they would like to move on hard the way they move on clay. Moving on hard like a clay courter does damage.
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don't tell me djokovic, monfils and murray will still be playing at 30. they're the absolute worst for sliding and doing tendon destroying movements on hard courts
Murray is not killing himself by sliding on hard courts like Djokovic and Monfils do.
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Murray is not killing himself by sliding on hard courts like Djokovic and Monfils do.
That's why he'll end up with mediocre career. Real champions are willing to kill themselves on court That's why 11>1 and 5>1
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