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Year-End Masters (WTF) underrated?

Most people consider the WTF to be the next big thing after the slams.
Fair enough I say.

But I am under the impression that there is a big gap between slams and WTF when accounting accomplishments.
Most people might say: 17 > 11
But I'd also say hey Federer won 6 WTF. That's INSANE!

I consider WTF to be perhaps the most difficult tournament around. The concept of having to play 5 times against top 8 players in a week to win is way more intense than at Slams where the top 8 players play at most 3 times against each other (usually 2 matches) to win. WTF used to have a best of 5 sets final until 2008, then it lost a bit of its prestige I guess.
Shouldn't WTF be valued just almost as much as a slam?
I love that tournament, it oozes mastery of the game, and pure class. It always had classy winners.
Winning it makes you The MAESTRO.

So my statement is: WTF accomplishments should be made more relevant than it is now.
Someone with 4 slams and 2 WTFs should be considered more successful than someone with 5 slams and 0 WTFs.
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Re: Year-End Masters (WTF) underrated?

Do you mean the tournament that is widely called the World Toast Finals nowadays?
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WTF is overrated if its somewhere in the middle of season it would be awesome. But most players are dead by then and we dont see best tennis possibile. Federer being balerina that never gets tired and indoor lover gets it always easy.

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It's overrated. The fact of the matter is that all of the players are tired as f*ck by the time the WTF come around, and for the most part it's bad tennis. I think people make too big of a deal about it...

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Top 8 players, no mugs, no WTA bull*hit and screaming biatches to interrupt TV schedule. Players are often tired, but it is like a fifth slam if you ask me.

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WTF is overrated if its somewhere in the middle of season it would be awesome. But most players are dead by then and we dont see best tennis possibile. Federer being balerina that never gets tired and indoor lover gets it always easy.
Yeah. The year end championships should be held in the middle of the season.
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Re: Year-End Masters (WTF) underrated?

WTF? WTF has WTF been underrented?
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Re: Year-End Masters (WTF) underrated?

HA! hahahahah

Tired? Tired is not an excuse. You think that mini new-year vacations is enough to recharge batteries?
Players take breaks and vacations at different points of the season. EDIT: and most take long vacations after the USO.
Not only that. If a player is tired by the end of the season, it's their fault. Longevity, efficiency and endurance are factors relevant in tennis. They are factors that account for a player's greatness.

No petty tiredness excuse please
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Yeah. The year end championships should be held in the middle of the season.
U got my point great as always, The middle year championship?

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So many people repeat like parrots the same stupidness about "tired players" because it`s "end of the season" like after it they will have two years for rest and at AO they will appear fresh and new like rose. In reality after AO, after Miami (who skips MC), after Wimbledon and after US top players have the same time to rest. Or almost the same, sometimes even more. That`s why it`s stupid to say about some miracle tiredness at WTF and then freshness at AO. It`s closer to reality in WTA where in October season is over and 1/4 of year is free from play till new season.

Returning to topic - WTF is 5th the most important tournament. Nothing to add here.

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Its underrented

But not as underrented as the slice
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U got my point great as always, The middle year championship?
What's wonderful about this suggestion is that it does not sound retarded one bit. It's on par with the lucky loser suggestion from a short while ago.
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I watch the effort the guys put out for a slam.

I watch the effort the guys put out for WTF.

I know which one matters to all the players all the time.

I know which one matters to some of the players some of the time.
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Glorified exho.
The ATP tries hard to make it happen but it fails.

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Re: Year-End Masters (WTF) underrated?

This tired players mantra is BS. If certain players don't want to be tired, just stop pushing and grinding in every tournament of the year. The tournament doesn't lose value because certain players play a kind of game that drains everything out of their body.

Federer hasn't won 6 WTFs because his rivals are tired. He won 6 WTFs because, unlike his rivals, he doesn't have to grind himself and his opponents down to win points and matches. His effortless movement on the tennis court is righty rewarded, that's all there is to it.
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