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Almost every greats have won the USO

Open Era only:

- All players who managed to win at least 3 slams have won the USO except Borg (obviously), Kuerten (3 slams), Courier (4 slams) and Kuerten (3 slams)

Kuerten is the only player in this category who failed to reach the final

- If you look at Roland Garros, there're Sampras, Connors, McEnroe, Edberg, Becker, Djokovic, Newcombe and Ashe, which it makes 8 players, 5 of them failed to reach the final.

- In Wimbledon, there're Lendl, Wilander, Vilas, Courier and Kuerten = 5 players, 3 of them failed to reach the final.


Now if we look at the players who made at least 4 slam finals, it's even worse:

- Every players of the Open Era who reached at least 4 slams final played a final in the USO except Ivanisevic (still a semi).

- In the French, the list is still huge: Sampras, Connors, Becker, Ashe, Hewitt, Rafter, Safin, Roddick, Chang

- In Wimbledon: Wilander, Vilas, Safin, Chang



I don't include the AO in this equation for obvious reasons.


If you look at the past 5 winners, there're Federer, Del Po, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray, all in a row, before the swiss, it was Rafter, Agassi, Safin, Hewitt, Sampras, Roddick, all in a row too.

Seems like it's the slam the most homogeneous (well, we knew it already but still)

There's a new USO champion each year seens 2008, so the conclusion of this is clear:



Gasquet will be the 2013 USO champion
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Re: Almost every greats have won the USO

er, chang won the french open and made another final there...?

anyway, us open has always been contested by the top players, no lower ranked or shock wins there. unlike australian open with its surprise winners, or french/wimbledon with its specialists (not so much these days)

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Re: Almost every greats have won the USO

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If you look at the past 5 winners, there're Federer, Del Po, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray, all in a row, before the swiss, it was Rafter, Agassi, Safin, Hewitt, Sampras, Roddick, all in a row too.

Seems like it's the slam the most homogeneous (well, we knew it already but still)

There's a new USO champion each year seens 2008, so the conclusion of this is clear:



Gasquet will be the 2013 USO champion
And then came Federer in 2004 so it was 7 different players. Imagine if we get 2 different players in the next 2 years? Berdych in 2013 and Raonic in 2014?
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Makes sense, the US Open is a fast hardcourt and traditionally fast courts have dominated the game. Since there are more fast court tournaments, it means that the players who do well on fast courts will be greats of their time.

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lol, who will beat him? Wawrinka? Berdych? Gulbis? Rosol? Federer?

Only Del Potro can take him out before the semis, and he won't. Nadal is winning the AO, bet your house on it.
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Re: Almost every greats have won the USO

While there is variety when it comes to the winners, this tournament is least likely to have fluke winners. The number of players who have reached #1 and won USO is quite high.

In the Open Era, del Potro is the only one not to appear in at least two other GS finals in his career.

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Re: Almost every greats have won the USO

USO has been on hard courts since 70s, ten years longer than AO. And hard court is quite equal surface for both clay and grass courters. So, if you're not a clay-only or grass-only player, you have a good chance to win USO.

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Re: Almost every greats have won the USO

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While there is variety when it comes to the winners, this tournament is least likely to have fluke winners. The number of players who have reached #1 and won USO is quite high.

In the Open Era, del Potro is the only one not to appear in at least two other GS finals in his career.
Since 1978 when the USO moved to hard court, Del Potro is the only player that has never reached #1. Every single USO winner since 1978 has been #1. We'll see what Del Potro and Murray achieve in the future and if they reach #1 and continue the trend.
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Since 1978 when the USO moved to hard court, Del Potro is the only players that has never reached #1. Every single USO winner since 1978 has been #1.
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Del Potro is an unfortunate case because he got derailed due to injury. Who knows if not for the injury he would have reached #1 in the past 3 years. If Murray remains healthy he might reach #1 next year.
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Re: Almost every greats have won the USO

Stich has not

Berlocq neither

conclusion: US Open is irrelevant
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Re: Almost every greats have won the USO

Even the new posters are familiar with Berlocq's greatness. Gooood. Good.

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Re: Almost every greats have won the USO

Nothing surprising, at least for last 2-3decades, since HC is major surface, RG and Wimbledon are biggest opposites, i mean if you are good on faster HC you can suceed on grass, but won´winon clay- Sampras, Becker ... and many others, other side if you are great baseliner and prefer slower surface you won´t win at Wimby

About AO i don´t know but i would say still more great players haven´t won AO than USO
Historically many players haven´t won AO, because they didn´t play there or just at the beginning of the year it is most surprising slam with everybody healthy and you don´t know what to expect - how good someone become and so on

so that leaves us USO as most predictable slam at major surface
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Re: Almost every greats have won the USO

Now Murray has won it, it may be worth looking into whether the reverse is also true: Every US Open champion is a great player.

I support Federer, Murray, Karlovic and some others.
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Re: Almost every greats have won the USO

Can't wait till Lenders shows up in this thread.
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Re: Almost every greats have won the USO

Since Strong era officially has started Fedmug didn't won any USO, played only one final, but every good player won that fastest slam. During the same time he played at least once per year at slow slams finals(W & RG). King of slow courts has on chance anymore at USO, can't back a time to play Boredo and Hewitt.
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