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Nadal leads against Federer in wins 18-10
Wouldn't even be mad if it was 28-0 and still 17>11.
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But but but but most of them are on clay !
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But but but but most of them are on clay !
Correct.

Surface bias and hence the sample size is too small to count the H2H as a true indicator of the better player.
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8 > 2, let's throw that one out there. Federer has never in his life been able to beat Rafa in a big match, other than two times on his favourite surface during his peak against a boy that was playing his first couple grass tournaments as a claycourter.

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he's supertitious. i bet he got used to it and is afraid to take it off.

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8 > 2, let's throw that one out there. Federer has never in his life been able to beat Rafa in a big match, other than two times on his favourite surface during his peak against a boy that was playing his first couple grass tournaments as a claycourter.
May I remind you sir, that Nadal is four years younger than Federer, a pretty large gap in real tennis terms. So in reality there was always going to be a small window of opportunity where they would each other in their prime. Unfortunately due to how bad Nadal was on non clay surfaces early on in his career and even now you see this gap.
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May I remind you sir, that Nadal is four years younger than Federer, a pretty large gap in real tennis terms. So in reality there was always going to be a small window of opportunity where they would each other in their prime. Unfortunately due to how bad Nadal was on non clay surfaces early on in his career and even now you see this gap.
May I remind you, that Federer is responsible for almost as many non clay failure to meets? Check out the 2010-11 seasons for example

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May I remind you, that Federer is responsible for almost as many non clay failure to meets? Check out the 2010-11 seasons for example
And my point is proven.
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Nadaltards living in the past. Sad stuff.
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Correct.

Surface bias and hence the sample size is too small to count the H2H as a true indicator of the better player.
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May I remind you, that Federer is responsible for almost as many non clay failure to meets? Check out the 2010-11 seasons for example
But but but but Federer was way past his prime then.
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But but but but most of them are on clay !
that doesnt matter. win is win.

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Outstanding play on that bp. Djokovic was ahead in that point at the start.

If Berdych can't keep a double break lead I'm done with tennis.
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Correct.

Surface bias and hence the sample size is too small to count the H2H as a true indicator of the better player.
H2H proves that Nadal is way better player than Federer. He beats Fed not only on clay, but on hardcourts too, especially on USO and AO . Even on grass .

Federer is underdog in every match against Nadal.

Only where Fed had upper hand is indoors.

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Outstanding play on that bp. Djokovic was ahead in that point at the start.

If Berdych can't keep a double break lead I'm done with tennis.
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that doesnt matter. win is win.
No one is discarding the win, everyone is just saying that the sample is too biased to be used as a true indicator of who is the better player.

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but on hardcourts too, especially on USO and AO
brb let's just use one match at each tournament to make it a fact that Nadal > Federer

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brb Federer leads 2-1 against Nadal on grass. Again, this doesn't even tell us that FEderer is better than Nadal LET ALONE Nadal being better than Federer.
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brb let's just use one match at each tournament to make it a fact that Nadal > Federer

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brb Federer leads 2-1 against Nadal on grass. Again, this doesn't even tell us that FEderer is better than Nadal LET ALONE Nadal being better than Federer.
There is no fact other then Nadal isn't going to reach Fed's total career record at this point.
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