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Re: Do you think this era will be remembered as a subpar era?

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so is pop music
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On topic, how about defining what's an 'era' to start with before judging whether it's 'weak'or no?

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And that is your argument? Lol
This is abraxas we are talking about so it's wise not to expect too much.
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This is abraxas we are talking about so it's wise not to expect too much.
personal attacks are likely to be used when it's impossible to confront my arguments

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personal attacks are likely to be used when it's impossible to confront my arguments
Pop music is declining, therefore tennis as well. Indeed, how do you confront something that makes no sense in the first place

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Re: Do you think this era will be remembered as a subpar era?

This era will be remembered like a great era, with amazing players like Federer (GOAT), Nadal (claycourtGOAT), Djokovic, Murray...and Seppi.



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Re: Do you think this era will be remembered as a subpar era?

I've been tuned to tennis before Lamar Hunt launched the WCT. Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall, Stan Smith, Ilie Nastase and Arthur Ashe--I saw them all. Then came Connors, Borg, McEnroe and Lendl. There have been several strong eras and very few lulls. The Agassi, Sampras and Wilander era might have been somewhat weak. No era is stronger than the current one. Federer has eclipsed all that came before him. Djokovic is incredibly strong. The chronic cheater Nadal is the greatest clay court player ever and I hope he gets well soon.
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It is clearly flawed. It allows players to get to the top by vulturing weak optional tournaments and then stay up there by enjoying the ridiculously high protection that the seeding system offers - really I struggle to think of a sport that protects its top players more than tennis.

For instance, Berdych has been crap ever since the clay season, yet he's under no threat to go below the top 8. The ranking and especially the seeding system in tennis lead to a hierarchy that's very hard to break.
What is preventing lover-ranked, more talented players from doing exactly what Ferrer is doing, thus taking his place in the rankings?

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I've been tuned to tennis before Lamar Hunt launched the WCT. Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall, Stan Smith, Ilie Nastase and Arthur Ashe--I saw them all. Then came Connors, Borg, McEnroe and Lendl. There have been several strong eras and very few lulls. The Agassi, Sampras and Wilander era might have been somewhat weak. No era is stronger than the current one. Federer has eclipsed all that came before him. Djokovic is incredibly strong. The chronic cheater Nadal is the greatest clay court player ever and I hope he gets well soon.
Probably the only truly relevant post here.

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Re: Do you think this era will be remembered as a subpar era?

This is one of if not the strongest era, where you have more than one player able to win a slam. You have three very solid players competing at the highest levels, battling it out in nearly every slam.

Each of the top three is great or very good on each surface and competitive at every slam. When you had Sampras and Agassi, you obviously could not say this. Sampras was a nonfactor on clay.

The fact that the player who has won the most slams, wins again after 2 years says nothing about the tour. It just validates Federer's great ability and love for the game.

Also can you say what era as in what time frame you are referring to?

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Olderer is number one in this strong era

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What is preventing lover-ranked, more talented players from doing exactly what Ferrer is doing, thus taking his place in the rankings?
Their integrity.
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The strongest era ever is
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Re: Do you think this era will be remembered as a subpar era?

I don't think you can call it a strong era when just one player under the age of 25 has even made a slam final.

There should be younger players at least threatening the top guys. There's been nothing since Potro.

Raonic and Tomic need to step up quickly.
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Sub-par for what? The way I see it there are a few general things the 'sub-par' could refer to:-

- Quality of tennis played. This is the obvious one. Seemingly though, it is not what a lot of people immediately think when confronted with the thought. There is no necessary connection between the distribution of success in men's tennis and the quality of tennis. It takes a further step beyond just stating, "the top three dominate etc...", to also state that this is in some sense constitutes a poor quality of tennis. The two are separate claims and must be treated as such. Nor does the deviation of style of play from a fans preferred style constitute poor quality. It simply means there is evolution of tennis (in a value-neutral sense, evolution need be neither good nor bad, but it's existence is pretty undeniable) from one style having success to another. Whilst judgements can be made about quality of tennis played, arguments which infer from distribution of success to a conclusion about quality of tennis are flawed because within any distribution of success, the quality of tennis may fluctuate, this is demonstrable.

- Quality of Drama/Distribution of Success. I have grouped these two together because they seem to be deeply connected for fans. Both those who enjoy this era of top heavy distribution (which creates 'mega-matches' between players with 5+ slams each) and those who hate it's lack of surprises conflate the two. However, although having ones preferred distribution of power may be nice, there is no real way to link it to being above or below par. This is a subjective preference, not a label of quality.

- Other/Intangible Qualities. Well, there is little to be argued for or against on this count. If posters wish to argue that there is some other way by which to measure quality, or some intangible factor which is lacked by the current crop, they can specify it or be subject to scepticism. I personally don't feel there is much else it could come down to which hasn't been mentioned but I am open to new suggestions. In lieu of that though, I hope the above is a reasonable guide as to the uselessness of attempting to draw a conclusion which is in any way legitimate, from states of affairs relating to distribution of success, which seems to the most common argument being bandied around in this thread.
Best post I have read in a while, flawless reasoning. Thread doesnt need any more inputs after this one.

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