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post #226 of 4114 (permalink) Old 10-17-2012, 11:27 PM
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I believe the opposite. I think this match up would go pretty badly for Sampras. I'm thinking it'll be a little similar to Hewitt vs Sampras but Djokovic is a better version of Hewitt.
Hewitt had better passing shots than Djokovic has. They were massively more consistent at least, you wouldn't see anyone go 13/13 at net against Hewitt in his prime (which Murray did in the Shanghai final). He is also better, in general, at coping with players coming to the net against him (although to be fair, this is laregely a function of much more practice and necessity). Djokovic hits incredible deep returns, he is an exceptional all round returner but his real strength is in putting the ball deep and taking charge. Hewitt's strength (again, relatively speaking) was keeping the ball low, making him a nightmare for serve and volley specialists. I agree that Hewitt and Djokovic are broadly similar players, but the nuances of their games are not good for Djokovic when it comes to facing the aggression of a Sampras-type. Further, when Djokovic is aggressive, the slice has proven to be one of the most effective ways of dampening that attack and gaining tempo in a rally as employed by Murray, Federer and Nadal (who picked up on the benefit of that play a lot in their Australian Open match this year).

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yep, I was listening to Taylor Dent on commentary recently talking about match ups.

He said he enjoyed the match-up with Agassi (though h2h suggests otherwise) because he knew the returns were coming hard and deep every time and he wasn't going to have to hit many first volleys off his shoelaces.
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Hewitt had better passing shots than Djokovic has.
It's worrying this even needs to be said. Unfortunately people's opinion of Hewitt has been distorted by Federer's manhandling of him in 2004/5. They forget that when Federer used his net game against Hewitt, he lost 7 of their first 8 meetings. He had to learn how to beat him from the baseline to turn that record around. Hewitt ate net players for breakfast and has great significance in the history of the game as the one player who did more than anybody else to render a net-rushing game unworkable - & he did this on surfaces faster than today's.

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so, a very past his prime version of hewitt beat a top 10 player in valencia. what do we make of that?

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so, a very past his prime version of hewitt beat a top 10 player in valencia. what do we make of that?
Not to mention that a 31 yo has-been from the weak era won slam and is current #1.
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It's worrying this even needs to be said. Unfortunately people's opinion of Hewitt has been distorted by Federer's manhandling of him in 2004/5. They forget that when Federer used his net game against Hewitt, he lost 7 of their first 8 meetings. He had to learn how to beat him from the baseline to turn that record around. Hewitt ate net players for breakfast and has great significance in the history of the game as the one player who did more than anybody else to render a net-rushing game unworkable - & he did this on surfaces faster than today's.
but man for some people the tennis born with nadal and djokovic.

hewitt was a great player , agassi and sampras said than he was the best player in terms of shots seleccions and was a nightmare for all the serve and volley players.
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Roger Federer could've competed succesfully in our era: Boris Becker

http://sports.ndtv.com/tennis/news/i...a-boris-becker

Interesting comments by becker. I largely agree with them because I feel there are very few players currently capable of playing S&V at a high level and federer is definitely amongst them.

What other players you think could have succesfully adjusted to that era? Discuss
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Re: Roger Federer could've competed succesfully in our era: Boris Becker

anyone with a big serve and a bit of touchhhh. to be honest though despite what some think, I believe even a Nadal like player would have some success in that era. players with big serves but also some defensive players of today with incredible fitness and GREAT passing shots. there are some players today who could defend even on faster courts a bit

but the reality is that Federer would be great in any era so it's kind of dumb what Becker said. Federer would dominate Becker if they had played together, he does everything much better than him

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anyone with a big serve and a bit of touchhhh. to be honest though despite what some think, I believe even a Nadal like player would have some success in that era.


most of today's players wouldn't stand a chance in becker's era.

nadal in particular, one of this era's top players, in the early rounds of wimbledon (when the grass isn't slow) gets continally exposed by agressive players. imagine him playing in conditions even faster against more skilled players. nadal wouldn't even be in the top 100 in a good fast era. federer would have won some titles (he was actually a decent volleyer back in his early years) but there's no doubt he wouldn't have won nearly as much as he has in this era.

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Too good, Federer.
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Would Nadal and DJokovic dominate the field in 2004-2006 the way Federer did?

If they were put in place of federer as the no. 1 and in their prime.
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Re: Would Nadal and DJokovic dominate the field in 2004-2006 the way Federer did?

No. The Roddicks and Safins would own Djokovic and the Gonzalez/Blakes would toy with Nadal off clay.
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Would probably have dominated and won\reached Slam finals consistently, but definitely not a Federer-like dominance.

Also, what happened to 2007?


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Hypothetical question, hard to answer.

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