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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2012 year-end H2H?
Djokovic will take the lead 31 50.82%
Federer will claim his trophy 25 40.98%
They will end in a draw, for the first time 1 1.64%
I don't know. But this should be an official ATP award, it's amazing. 4 6.56%
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Re: H2h 20-20

I hate to say it but 17 >> 9 and that's all that matters.

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I hate to say it but 17 >> 9 and that's all that matters.
Thats all what matters in the goat discussion, but not here.

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It's actually 20-20*

* - does not include Federer's WTF decision to drop out of the final without playing due to no chances to win


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I hate to say it but 17 >> 9 and that's all that matters.
How many slams has Roger won since 08 when Nadal was at his near peak, and Novak wasn't even at his near peak? Like it or not, Roger was very lucky 03-07 with his competition.
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So a tier two all time great has beaten the GOAT 20 times. The tier two all time great leads 2-1 in finals and 7-6 in grandslam meetings.

Odd thing, they marginally lead eachother on their favourite surface, 2-1 on grass for Djokovic. 15-14 on hardcourt for Federer.

They're pretty even I would say...for now.

In before someone says that 17 is bigger then 9, which is and nobody is denying that.

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Facts only suck when it doesnt benefit your favorite player, right?

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6/9 were on clay, no one cares about that. We all know Nadal is the greatest clay courter of all time.
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For the very first time they are equal.
We are close!
There is no question Djokovic is going to surpass Federer and grab the TBE title.

H2H 2-1 adventage Djokovic on Federer's favorite surface.

Djokovic - Nadal 21:23 Surely no one believes this H2H will hold.

Yes the 20-20 factor was a big one heading into this final, and Nole made it happen along with the (more important) Wimbledon title.

This will bring extra sizzle to their next H2H. They had never been equal before, and Novak has never led the H2H before. Fed will probably be hoping they next play in best of 3 on a fast surface ie his preferred Shanghai or Dubai.


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For the very first time they are equal.
We are close!
There is no question Djokovic is going to surpass Federer and grab the TBE title.

H2H 2-1 adventage Djokovic on Federer's favorite surface.

Djokovic - Nadal 21:23 Surely no one believes this H2H will hold.
Well said...especially the grass domination 2-1 djokovic leading ....is too good.

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Re: H2h 20-20

This is a pretty amazingly high number of times theyve played each other.

Credit to Federer for keeping a close H2H against a player 5 years younger than him.
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The interesting thing about the 20-20 h2h is that Djoko is 7-6 in slam meetings and 2-1 in slam finals. So Novak has the upper hand

As for Rafa, he's 23-21 (9-4 in slams) vs Djoko and 23-10 (9-2 in slams) vs Federer. It's not even close. Even if Djoko ties the head to head, Rafa's lead in slam meetings will always remain. And that's why Rafa is the GOAT.

He's 18-6 in slams against his 2 biggest rivals, career golden slam, 14 slams, a slam for 10 years in a row, at least 2 slams on each surface, most slams at one event, slams on 3 different surfaces in the same year, most masters 1000 titles, etc. it's quality over quantity. 18-6!!!!!
The friend of KiAO always miraculously being in the opposite half from peak Federer & young Djokovic for eight HC slams in a row 2008-11, but miraculously always with the young Djokovic at RG certainly helped him a lot with his slam h2h record.

Nadal also never had to play one of the two best current HC players in SF, 2008-11 Federer/Djokovic and from 2012/today Djokovic/Stanimal, but just had to wait on their numerous tough SF/QF 5-setters, making HC finals over Gasquet and Youzhny, usually with a day of the rest more as the icing on the cake.

Nadal is always on the other side of the draw from Djokovic at AO/USO/Wimb. since 2008. thus protecting his H2H by playing Djokovic there only when 100% ready in the finals, against usually tired Djokovic because of Djokovic' a lot tougher draws or because Nadal would took 7 months off to recuperate fully, while Djokovic played every single masters and slam final in the meantime.

Let them finally put Rafito in Nole's half or quarter at AO/USO/Wimb., instead of Olderer's, as they would almost always put Rafole together at RG, and then let's see their h2h by the end of the next year.

That's not possible though, because not only Nadal but both Fedal are always in the other half from Djokovic at AO/USO/Wimb. for mucho, mucho slams now, and that is not going to change the next USO nor AO because Fedal cannot make the HC final even from their easy-peasy half, let alone from Djokovic' half with Stan/Nishi and other HC contenders there by default, but at least Federer can make a SF and some bucks to slams, TVs and Nike.

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Re: H2h 20-20

Back to where they were in 2006
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Too good this Lolvak;Vulturing H2H's against the GOATs when they're at the age of retirement homes.
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Too good this Lolvak;Vulturing H2H's against the GOATs when they're at the age of retirement homes.
LOL, but all of Federer's wins against Djokovic when he was just a little boy still count, right?

I'm loving the double standard
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I hope Nadal can be good enough to face Nole again to set the H2H record straight.

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Re: H2h 20-20

H2H is not a very meaningful stat when Djokovic and Federer essentially belong in different eras. Federer's peak period is generally regarded to be 2004-2007, and his peak (or very near it) was certainly over by 2010. Djokovic's peak only really began from 2011 onwards. So it's impossible to really compare these players when they're peak years were so different. What one can conclude is Djokovic's immense talent at a young age to beat the World No 1 at the time, (in particular Canada 2007/Aus open 2008) but also Federer's longevity in being able to keep the H2H intact by defeating the current No 1 despite his obviously decreased physical capabilities. At Federer's age most players would not even be able to reach the latter stages of the tournament required to challenge the World No 1.
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