Olympics point distribution. McEnroe thinks they should be the same as Slams - MensTennisForums.com
View Poll Results: Your view?
YES 26 44.83%
NO 32 55.17%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 08:45 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
dencod16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 5,768
                     
Olympics point distribution. McEnroe thinks they should be the same as Slams

Do you think Olympics should award more points? At first i think they should and then i realized that it would be unfair to the likes of Granollers, Andujar, Ferrero, Llodra, because they would have not had the chance to compete for the points. What if there are 5 Spaniards in the top 10, the 5th ranked spaniard would be treated unfairly as he wouldn't have the chance to earn points.

I think it should stay the same or awards no points wherein no other tournaments are held the same week.

Last edited by dencod16; 08-06-2012 at 12:49 PM.
dencod16 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 08:50 AM
Registered User
 
TennisOnWood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,022
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

Once in 4 years I think we can survive any points distribution

Glad this thing will be over today so MTF can go back to regular threads of mugs and hate

HIC IACET ARTHURUS REX QUONDAM REXQUE FUTURUS — "Here lies Arthur, the once and future king."
TennisOnWood is offline  
post #3 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 09:00 AM
Forum Umpire:
Gaston Gaudio
 
Action Jackson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 124,507
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

It should award no points.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Filo V. View Post
I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
Action Jackson is offline  
post #4 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 09:21 AM
the pirate queen.
 
Pirata.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: usa
Age: 28
Posts: 13,370
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

It's fine as it is.

Honestly, I agree with AJ, it should have no points--players should be doing it to represent their country, not for personal glory, like how Davis Cup should have no points. Plus, the winner gets penalized in a way the following year when the points come off and aren't replaced until (if he even qualifies) for the next Olympiad.

Rafael Nadal & Novak Djokovic: The Evoulution of a Handshake
federer ferrer wawrinka raonic flopez istomin mannarino pospisil
verdasco

Quote:
Originally Posted by QuitYerWhining View Post
Ever trolled, ever failed, no matter.
Post again, troll again, troll harder.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clay Death View Post
mods drag this thread outside and have several spotted hyenas shit on it for 4 straight days. you may have to bribe the hyenas but they will shit on it.
Pirata. is offline  
post #5 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 09:39 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 691
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

should award zero points.
400 points or 800 what is is currently is laughable.
Boris Franz Ecker is offline  
post #6 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 09:49 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 8,420
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

Quote:
Originally Posted by Action Jackson View Post
It should award no points.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pirata. View Post
It's fine as it is.

Honestly, I agree with AJ, it should have no points--players should be doing it to represent their country, not for personal glory, like how Davis Cup should have no points. Plus, the winner gets penalized in a way the following year when the points come off and aren't replaced until (if he even qualifies) for the next Olympiad.
I would agree wholeheartedly with this on one condition. The ATP would need to reschedule their events so that players who go deep at the Olympics or the respective surrounding tournaments aren't disadvantaged. 1 week off would be a condition. Playing for one's country shouldn't impede one's regular job.

We see what is happening now with Toronto.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Respectful Fan of Great Tennis.
"I embody tennis" - Roger Federer


masterclass is offline  
post #7 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 10:00 AM
country flag n8
 
n8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Canberra, Australia
Age: 32
Posts: 7,415
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

It should definitely be worth points in my opinion. The rankings are supposed to reflect who are the better players.

1000 is too much because, as the OP pointed out, some players are excluded for reasons other than their ranking (unlike Masters1000).
500 is too little as the field and incentives are much higher than an ATP500.

750 is just right.
n8 is offline  
post #8 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 12:18 PM
Registered User
 
Featherer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 855
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

In every Olympic year several tournaments scheduled around the Olympics suffer.
If the Olympics would be awarded more ranking points it's logical, I think, that those tournaments would suffer even more.
Is that neccessary, given that the Olympics are not so attractive for their ranking points nor for money, but for winning for one's country and so on (as many forum members repeatedly pointed out)?

That said, the concerns the thread starter expresses may be even more compelling and it's thinkable that there would be a players lobby against the proposed changes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Action Jackson View Post
It should award no points.
I actually agree with that.
It would be the best solution for the above mentioned tournaments as well as the mentioned affected players.

However, ranking points definitely generate an extra incentive for the players.
The players are not used anymore to play only for their home country (and prestige). Look at the DavisCup.
I can't say how severe the differences were, but without ranking points the Olympic tennis tournament wouldn't be as popular for the players as it is today!
The ATP decided to promote Tennis around the globe, at the cost of Marcel Granollers and others, who become victims for the "higher goal". (Although I personally don't like it.)
But well, 750 points is not so very much. It's like the happy medium in a way and seems quite sophisticated a decision by the ATP.

Last edited by Featherer; 08-05-2012 at 04:17 PM.
Featherer is offline  
post #9 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 12:25 PM
Forum Umpire:
Gaston Gaudio
 
Action Jackson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 124,507
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

Quote:
Originally Posted by StatRacket View Post
It should definitely be worth points in my opinion. The rankings are supposed to reflect who are the better players.

1000 is too much because, as the OP pointed out, some players are excluded for reasons other than their ranking (unlike Masters1000).
500 is too little as the field and incentives are much higher than an ATP500.

750 is just right.
Are you serious? No other Olympic event awards points, lets say the athletics the Olympics performances do not go to the Diamond League which are their biggest events during the year.

Next of all these points can't be defended so what's the point of having them. In a sporting sense getting points for playing the Olympics and Davis Cup is awful. There are plenty of opportunities during the year to earn individual glory.

Ranking points does not make the Games any more prestigious and winning an Olympic medal is something no points can effectively measure and you'd find out soon enough which players would generally want to play if there were no points on offer.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Filo V. View Post
I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
Action Jackson is offline  
post #10 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 12:26 PM
Registered User
 
Looner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 13,270
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

Quote:
Originally Posted by Action Jackson View Post
It should award no points.
Indeed.


The "Who plays tennis?" thread


Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocket Rod Laver
Roger is like a good red wine, he’s getting better with age.
Looner is offline  
post #11 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 12:41 PM
Registered User
 
AnnaK_4ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,350
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

Since players can't make it to OG draw based strictly on their rankings there should be no points at all awarded at this event.
AnnaK_4ever is offline  
post #12 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 12:56 PM
country flag n8
 
n8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Canberra, Australia
Age: 32
Posts: 7,415
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

Quote:
Originally Posted by Action Jackson View Post
Are you serious? No other Olympic event awards points, lets say the athletics the Olympics performances do not go to the Diamond League which are their biggest events during the year.

Next of all these points can't be defended so what's the point of having them. In a sporting sense getting points for playing the Olympics and Davis Cup is awful. There are plenty of opportunities during the year to earn individual glory.

Ranking points does not make the Games any more prestigious and winning an Olympic medal is something no points can effectively measure and you'd find out soon enough which players would generally want to play if there were no points on offer.
I didn't know about other sports. That's interesting.

I know how you love hypothetical analysis (), so I'm going to use it in my argument. Say the world's top 2 have almost identical years (2 Slams each etc) and the year end ranking points without Olympics is 10,005 to 10,000. But the player with 10,000 ranking points won the Olympics. Surely he deserves to be world number one as everyone would say (correctly) that he had the better year.
n8 is offline  
post #13 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 01:00 PM
Forum Umpire:
Gaston Gaudio
 
Action Jackson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 124,507
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

Quote:
Originally Posted by StatRacket View Post
I didn't know about other sports. That's interesting.

I know how you love hypothetical analysis (), so I'm going to use it in my argument. Say the world's top 2 have almost identical years (2 Slams each etc) and the year end ranking points without Olympics is 10,005 to 10,000. But the player with 10,000 ranking points won the Olympics. Surely he deserves to be world number one as everyone would say (correctly) that he had the better year.
Straight out no. There is nothing that justifies points for the Olympic Games, as I said they can't be defended the next year and they can't have them last 4 years. If they need ranking points to get the top players to play the Games, then you know the status is flawed. Haas/Kafelnikov and Rosset/Arrese busting their arses over 5 sets only for the honour of winning gold for their countries, as I said it will never GS level, it's a unique event that can't be measured by points.

Year end number 1 is irrelevant it was only something Americans came up to justify at the time Sampras being the greatest ever. Consecutive weeks is a better indicator, so the hypothetical doesn't wash.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Filo V. View Post
I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
Action Jackson is offline  
post #14 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 01:23 PM
.
 
rocketassist's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 29,136
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

Olympics shouldn't award any points.

It's not about ranking, it's about the achievement.

unbiased analyst extraordinaire
rocketassist is offline  
post #15 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-05-2012, 01:24 PM
Registered User
 
August's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Age: 26
Posts: 5,473
                     
Re: Olympics point distribution

750 points is good. If OG didn't give points, playing there wold lead missing points from somewhere, like Toronto this year. And even if there are no OG every year, you can "defend" your OG points by playing in other tournaments, like Canada you've possibly missed this year. And if you don't qualify to OG, you can get points easier than usual in tournaments like Washington this year.

Stan Wawrinka
2014 Australian Open Champion | 2014 Monte Carlo Masters Champion | 2015 French Open Champion | 2016 US Open Champion

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
2008 Paris Masters Champion | 2014 Toronto Masters Champion

My Twitter
August is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the MensTennisForums.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome